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Lay said it's waterproofed?
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This pressure testing really is problematic. Testing to 10 atm is not really meaningful, this is more like "water resistant".
I do not wish to be the smart ass, but:
The Deutsche Industrienorm DIN 8306 for diving watches says that seals have to hold tight 30 minutes in 1m depth and for 90 seconds in 20m depth. Then they are waterproof according to DIN 8306. However, this depth is just an imaginary figure. If you hit the watch against something, like a slash at the water surface, or sudden movements under water, it might build up a pressure manifold of what has been tested. And then it leaks.
But then you might be lucky, the fakeymariners went down as deep as 50m successfully, IIRC.
Also I have a russian automatic that I had with me on several wreck dives down way over 60m and on long decompression dives.
So it might work - or not, try it out
I do not wish to be the smart ass, but:
The Deutsche Industrienorm DIN 8306 for diving watches says that seals have to hold tight 30 minutes in 1m depth and for 90 seconds in 20m depth. Then they are waterproof according to DIN 8306. However, this depth is just an imaginary figure. If you hit the watch against something, like a slash at the water surface, or sudden movements under water, it might build up a pressure manifold of what has been tested. And then it leaks.
But then you might be lucky, the fakeymariners went down as deep as 50m successfully, IIRC.
Also I have a russian automatic that I had with me on several wreck dives down way over 60m and on long decompression dives.
So it might work - or not, try it out
I really dig qualified smart-assing! (being not ironic)
1) Does that mean if you get a, let's say, gen Citizen or Casio "waterproof" to 100m, according to what the dial says, it might also leak when diving and hitting something under water at let's say 30m?!
2) Is "waterproof" to 100m according to the manual with gens different from waterproofed to 100m at the local watch smith, no matter if gen or rep?
(being not ironic) 1) Does that mean if you get a, let's say, gen Citizen or Casio "waterproof" to 100m, according to what the dial says, it might also leak when diving and hitting something under water at let's say 30m?!
2) Is "waterproof" to 100m according to the manual with gens different from waterproofed to 100m at the local watch smith, no matter if gen or rep?
This pressure testing really is problematic. Testing to 10 atm is not really meaningful, this is more like "water resistant".
I do not wish to be the smart ass, but:
The Deutsche Industrienorm DIN 8306 for diving watches says that seals have to hold tight 30 minutes in 1m depth and for 90 seconds in 20m depth. Then they are waterproof according to DIN 8306. However, this depth is just an imaginary figure. If you hit the watch against something, like a slash at the water surface, or sudden movements under water, it might build up a pressure manifold of what has been tested. And then it leaks.
But then you might be lucky, the fakeymariners went down as deep as 50m successfully, IIRC.
Also I have a russian automatic that I had with me on several wreck dives down way over 60m and on long decompression dives.
So it might work - or not, try it out
I can't comment if this is the same case for everyone, but the watches I bought from Lay, I did open to double check movements and found all were properly sealed & greased.
This says nothing about the actual ability of waterproofing as Dr.Verylong stated per DIN standard. Mass produced reps in general are only meant to look nice, and you will find a wider range of tolerance amongst reps. Factory might change out parts (crystal, case back) at a whim depending on the availability and price, and render a previous watertight watch to a good canteen.
There are always exception to the rule but verifying it yourself is the only sure way.
BTW, cheaper gen watches like casio or citizen are typically water tested by the said company, they do not adhere to third party water resistance testing standard. I always take those numbers with a grain of salt because the figure if often greatly exaggerated. But no one will call them out on a $50 watch because they can simply just replace it if it goes back for warranty.
This says nothing about the actual ability of waterproofing as Dr.Verylong stated per DIN standard. Mass produced reps in general are only meant to look nice, and you will find a wider range of tolerance amongst reps. Factory might change out parts (crystal, case back) at a whim depending on the availability and price, and render a previous watertight watch to a good canteen.
There are always exception to the rule but verifying it yourself is the only sure way.
BTW, cheaper gen watches like casio or citizen are typically water tested by the said company, they do not adhere to third party water resistance testing standard. I always take those numbers with a grain of salt because the figure if often greatly exaggerated. But no one will call them out on a $50 watch because they can simply just replace it if it goes back for warranty.
ReplicaMake.com Said:
Water proof to 30 meters
You Said:
Hello:
You said that my Watch is waterproof to 30 meters. Did you test the watch's waterproofness ?
ReplicaMake.com Said:
Yes sir. Do not shy diving with watches purchase from me. I am giving you warranty. Thanks
^^^ And Mine's a SMP Chrono. And it has hold my pool...
Water proof to 30 meters
You Said:
Hello:
You said that my Watch is waterproof to 30 meters. Did you test the watch's waterproofness ?
ReplicaMake.com Said:
Yes sir. Do not shy diving with watches purchase from me. I am giving you warranty. Thanks
^^^ And Mine's a SMP Chrono. And it has hold my pool...
Same here... here's what he said after I asked him.
REGARDING WATER PROOF
13th Apr 2011 @ 10:51 PM
You Said:
Did you test this or is this factory testing? Really would be good if I could swim with this. Thanks!
Re: REGARDING WATER PROOF
14th Apr 2011 @ 8:35 AM
ReplicaMake.com Said:
Swim with confidence. Thanks
REGARDING WATER PROOF
13th Apr 2011 @ 10:51 PM
You Said:
Did you test this or is this factory testing? Really would be good if I could swim with this. Thanks!
Re: REGARDING WATER PROOF
14th Apr 2011 @ 8:35 AM
ReplicaMake.com Said:
Swim with confidence. Thanks
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I didn't. I just wanted to see what would happen. :lol:
The HEV must be okay also. :wacko:
Thanks. I want to take mine in but was thinking of epoxying the valve first. Of course mine will need to be waterproofed to handle a depth no further than what I might experience with a beer in one hand and a cigar in the other.
Guys, I'll 2nd what Q said.
Below is a thread on building a pressure tester. I did it in the side, but someone pointed out that it could weaken the wall of the bottle (mine went to about 35 psi without failing, but my crappy bike pump did fail).
100 meter ratings mean shallow swimming, but if you dive into a pool you put a lot more instantaneous pressure on the areas where water can get in.
30m/100ft is a rating, not an actual depth to which it's been tested. These are not gens.
If you have a Gen rated to 200m then you can swim, dive etc.
Otherwise, be careful with a rep. Don't lose sight of the fact that they're, for lack of a better term... "reps". Get them tested or you'll have a very shiny, attractive paper weight. And a small piece of paper at that.
here's the thread.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/build-pressure-tester-for-30-28682
Below is a thread on building a pressure tester. I did it in the side, but someone pointed out that it could weaken the wall of the bottle (mine went to about 35 psi without failing, but my crappy bike pump did fail).
100 meter ratings mean shallow swimming, but if you dive into a pool you put a lot more instantaneous pressure on the areas where water can get in.
30m/100ft is a rating, not an actual depth to which it's been tested. These are not gens.
If you have a Gen rated to 200m then you can swim, dive etc.
Otherwise, be careful with a rep. Don't lose sight of the fact that they're, for lack of a better term... "reps". Get them tested or you'll have a very shiny, attractive paper weight. And a small piece of paper at that.
here's the thread.
http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/build-pressure-tester-for-30-28682
This is the $88 sea dweller. Would this be more likely to leak than say a submariner because of the 2 piece caseback and hev?
Good point doc! Also a note, there is no such term as 'waterproof' any more in the watch world, I believe the term isn't allowed amongst gens now, the correct terminology is actually 'water resistant'... just wanna keep us up to date with the times.
I have always shied away from swimming with my reps, though I'd like to!
Hey guys, just a heads up, I just approved my Omega for delivery and asked Lay who waterproofs them, the factory or him? This was his response:
"Hi, i did check the watches personally and it is working well, it is normal no worry.
We seal the watch personally, not with factory like those oversea dealer. Swim confidence with watches from us. You got our warranty"
Sounds good to me if that's true!
"Hi, i did check the watches personally and it is working well, it is normal no worry.
We seal the watch personally, not with factory like those oversea dealer. Swim confidence with watches from us. You got our warranty
"Sounds good to me if that's true!
I've taken 2 $88 DSSD swimming in a pool, diving in...also in the ocean for 2 weeks and not a single problem with leaks, condensation etc. seals were lubed FROM FACTORY and HEV was left as it came from Lay. So after 2 weeks of beach/resort life I would say its good for swimming...maybe not scuba diving but anything up to 10ft submersed and swimming around
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Good to know that Lay actually does proof them himself, even if it's not presure tested you'll be fine caught out in the rain, etc. We had some strong rains here and I took off my rep and put it in an inner pocket to be sure it didn't get wet at all...I'm paranoid but still.