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Kuvarsit 411 B/E Firenze just landed GENUINELY AMAZING !!!! (pics)

GWT#1

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Where the bluegrass sways!
I think mine would go like

That order would probably flip at time according to my mood and what I wear!

1. 243 v2
2. 187G
3. 111N
4. 127 "fiddy"
5. 417, 411 kv factory

I do own each of these.
 

ALE7575

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Deflection.

Why DEFLECTION ?

Bear in mind I'm talking about all brands not only PAMs

You have AP Divers, HBB V1, HBB V6, Breitlings, Cartier Santos, some Omegas, TAG Aquareacer, Roles Datejust II and Explorer II, PAM 243, PAM 029, PAM 111, PAM 187, Good PAM 127, PAM 177-176...

ALE
 

emmune

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Why DEFLECTION ?

Bear in mind I'm talking about all brands not only PAMs

You have AP Divers, HBB V1, HBB V6, Breitlings, Cartier Santos, some Omegas, TAG Aquareacer, Roles Datejust II and Explorer II, PAM 243, PAM 029, PAM 111, PAM 187, Good PAM 127, PAM 177-176...

ALE
Haha, because he asked for your top 5 list and you answered with kw not making the list but never listed the list.

list.


It's a popular technique used amongst politicians. :D:

Was just joking around.
 

GWT#1

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I totally understand! I put him on spot with near unanswerable question ??

I have my like anyways just want opinions, I have near sold all my rollies so hard to get even close to gen and I have tried spent loads on them still have 90% watch compared to pams!
 

ALE7575

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Haha, because he asked for your top 5 list and you answered with kw not making the list but never listed the list.

list.


It's a popular technique used amongst politicians. :D:

Was just joking around.

I totally understand! I put him on spot with near unanswerable question ??

I have my like anyways just want opinions, I have near sold all my rollies so hard to get even close to gen and I have tried spent loads on them still have 90% watch compared to pams!


OK... now understood... LOL

No worries about

...Hummm...
But no list either...

ALE
 

kingkaiser

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Cheers guys, i'm sure there are flaws but but for $ 320.00 i'll live with 'em. It's the overall feel and look of this watch which is the thing that's doing it for me.

I posted this question in another forum, but would love to get your (and other users, including the Pam king Ale) views on how this stacks up to the feel on the h fact reps.

I own the noob 111v3 and frankly never got a gen like feel from it, despite it's accuracy. The hfac 005 however feels ridiculously gen like despite its documented flaws.

So what's the take? Is it better in feel than the hfac or equal?
 

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I posted this question in another forum, but would love to get your (and other users, including the Pam king Ale) views on how this stacks up to the feel on the h fact reps.

I own the noob 111v3 and frankly never got a gen like feel from it, despite it's accuracy. The hfac 005 however feels ridiculously gen like despite its documented flaws.

So what's the take? Is it better in feel than the hfac or equal?

It is really difficult to explain a feeling because it is subjective.
But in general the GEN-like feel of KW is superiror to H maker and to Noob (no doubts).
Usually people think that Noob is more GEN-like than H maker, but you think that H maker is superior.
IMO you are very sensible to the bezel finish, dial and the crystal (which are the first things you see in a watch)
Well, H maker has a bezel with the transition edges sharper than Noob which gives to the watch a more well finish appearance. It is less accurate because the gen is rounded and not sharp, but the appearance is "better" in H maker leaving aside the accuracy. The H maker crystal is very good, after the studies for the current review of PAM 417, Klockis and I have arrived to the conclusion that H maker crystal is better than Noob. Concerning dial, if you like sausage, H maker has very good sausage dials.
Bearing in mind above considerations you could perfectly get a better feeling from the H maker rep.

In this way the KW will seem to you a manificent GEN-like watch, because it has a sharp bezel, very similar to H maker, has an awesome crystal and a perfect finished sausage dial.

ALE
 

kingkaiser

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It is really difficult to explain a feeling because it is subjective.
But in general the GEN-like feel of KW is superiror to H maker and to Noob (no doubts).
Usually people think that Noob is more GEN-like than H maker, but you think that H maker is superior.
IMO you are very sensible to the bezel finish, dial and the crystal (which are the first things you see in a watch)
Well, H maker has a bezel with the transition edges sharper than Noob which gives to the watch a more well finish appearance. It is less accurate because the gen is rounded and not sharp, but the appearance is "better" in H maker leaving aside the accuracy. The H maker crystal is very good, after the studies for the current review of PAM 417, Klockis and I have arrived to the conclusion that H maker crystal is better than Noob. Concerning dial, if you like sausage, H maker has very good sausage dials.
Bearing in mind above considerations you could perfectly get a better feeling from the H maker rep.

In this way the KW will seem to you a manificent GEN-like watch, because it has a sharp bezel, very similar to H maker, has an awesome crystal and a perfect finished sausage dial.

ALE

You convinced me :)
Have messaged my TD, and am picking this watch up. Will add in my photos and views when I receive it.

I agree btw that noob is more gen like in terms of accuracy, but as we both seem to feel, h maker just felt better...if this is better than h, then I'm really looking forward to getting this!
 

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Where do you find the time to write all this?

Ale has a magic PAM which he winds to slow down time. :rofl: It's really amazing when you think about it, especially considering English isn't his primary language. That speaks volumes about the dedication this guy has. We all aspire to his level of dedication and love for PAMs. :cheers:
 

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Thanks mysterio... LOL...
The problem is not to write (for me a little since English is not my first lenguage) the main problem is knowing the matter what you have to write about.

ALE
 

Rush2112

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Dumb question, it looks like kuvarsit is not a TD here. Any specific reason why?
 

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I am awestruck by the vast wealth of knowledge, why ever did I leave for so long?