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Judah smith

JB123

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wears a panerai.
(he's a man I really look up to.)
If you don't know Judah Smith, he is the lead pastor at a church called city church in Kirkland, WA. I look up to his leadership. (what model is this)


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revhrd

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I don't mean to sound crass but should he be watchless and sell that to feed the hungry or in the winter shelter the destitute and homeless? Still radiomir is a beautiful watch.
 

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Well the Pope wears a Erhard Jungans Tempus Automatic, which is relatively less expensive than the gold Radiomir. Still you could feed the poor with the proceeds from the sale of the watch, more so if it carried the prestige of being a watch that the Pope owned.
 

JB123

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What if he got it as a gift?
I'm a (soon to be) Pastor and if I own a caddy can't people understand that I saved and worked hard to get it instead of the judgemet? I bet you he puts more money into feeding the poor than all of us (in this thread) combined.

I just did my taxes recently, I gave over $3,000 in the last year in charitable donations (sponsor child). I also bought a family in uganda a 2 goat, chicken,and a rooster. If (and I don't) owned something fairly nice, the stuff I gave is forgotten about. It's kind of sad that the world in which we live is so quick to judge.

I think, with the work he does in the schools, churches, streets and so on, he deserves to save and treat himself once and awhile. Don't you?

I'm not trying to start an argument. Just trying to get you to think past the presuppositions of a man with a nice watch.
 

revhrd

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Oh no argument from me friend, but gift or not as a man of faith you are supposed to look past materials right? Or is it just too old fashion thinking of mine? Suppose I was in his shoes and received as a gift, I would thank the person(s) and then politely ask if they mind if I'd donate it or used it to better the congregation and such. I did not nor do I intend any disrespect, I guess I would like to think that people of faith do not dwell on such things about life. I am in no way implying that you or the pastor should live in poverty to lead by example but when I see it, it does cross my mind how many families in Uganda could benefit.

Furthermore, as mysterio put forth the pope, there in itself is the tyranny at it's finest. How many priceless relics does the dear old Vatican and Catholic church hold within their compound? Think about how many thousands of people could benefit?

Trandy, if it was in fact a rep I would bow down in reverence and respect. Imagine the pastor opens the sunday sermon and talks about the gift of giving. Goes on to say, I had a personal donation and the gesture while much appreciated was put forth to tangible use. I sold the Radiomir and at the suggestion of so and so bought a rep instead and the rest of the money went to (insert transparent charitable action).

Either way the watch is very nice and I have been looking at Radiomirs more than before but I still hesitate because I'd like to think that they are for an older me. One day I will wear one.

It really has nothing to do with judging the person wearing with, it's more so the profession they chose. I never judge anyone they do it themselves.

Cheers friend, it's a non offensive logical observation, I just happen to ask out loud so that I learn more about the why is all.
 

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Oh no argument from me friend, but gift or not as a man of faith you are supposed to look past materials right? Or is it just too old fashion thinking of mine? Suppose I was in his shoes and received as a gift, I would thank the person(s) and then politely ask if they mind if I'd donate it or used it to better the congregation and such. I did not nor do I intend any disrespect, I guess I would like to think that people of faith do not dwell on such things about life. I am in no way implying that you or the pastor should live in poverty to lead by example but when I see it, it does cross my mind how many families in Uganda could benefit.

Furthermore, as mysterio put forth the pope, there in itself is the tyranny at it's finest. How many priceless relics does the dear old Vatican and Catholic church hold within their compound? Think about how many thousands of people could benefit?

Trandy, if it was in fact a rep I would bow down in reverence and respect. Imagine the pastor opens the sunday sermon and talks about the gift of giving. Goes on to say, I had a personal donation and the gesture while much appreciated was put forth to tangible use. I sold the Radiomir and at the suggestion of so and so bought a rep instead and the rest of the money went to (insert transparent charitable action).

Either way the watch is very nice and I have been looking at Radiomirs more than before but I still hesitate because I'd like to think that they are for an older me. One day I will wear one.

It really has nothing to do with judging the person wearing with, it's more so the profession they chose. I never judge anyone they do it themselves.

Cheers friend, it's a non offensive logical observation, I just happen to ask out loud so that I learn more about the why is all.

I normally back up fellow Canadians on any front. But Rev here has summed this up perfectly. It just shows a total lack of respect for people to flaunt things like solid gold watches while doing a job like his under a tax shelter like his in a building that was paid for by I'm sure many people who cannot afford to give as much as they do like the one he preaches in.

Of you want to "counter point me" go crazy. You won't be changing anyones mind here.........
 

JB123

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Yea. For me personally I couldn't justify buying a gen pam and see someone hurting on the streets. If one was given to me I would wear it. I see where you are coming from and whole heartedly agree, but at the same time can understand the gift of the watch with sediment value or what have you.

Like I said. I can not justify buying ANY watch that is over 300, Thats just me (and I know there are MANY reps that are more than that).

My guilty pleasure will and is cars. I'll be that pastor who owns a 56 belair or a nova or something. But it will be something I built myself and slowly bought and built over a number of years.

I mostly agree with you though. You are a wise man. I try to give when I can but I like to treat myself once an awhile. Even if i could buy the gen without thinking about it (finically) I don't think I (personally) could justify it.

I want a REP Radiomir one day. makes a nice, classy, dress up watch (I think)

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I'm not here to counter point anyone, like stated, I agree! BTW kamloops! my Grandparents live there. Go Blazers.
 

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If your a man of god you should have nothing of value until your entire flock is as well as you are.
 

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Interesting. See, all I do is listen to a few podcasts here and there. I live like 5 hours from his church... but
The City Church identifies itself as a prosperity church. Because of their affiliation and propagation of prosperity theology
I don't agree with prosperity theology. It basically means They think that God is a rich God so why not try to be rich. Explains the watch. hmmmm there are other stuff I disagree with about him, like talking about how sexy his wife is and how "its going to happen" after church today. I really look up to how well he speaks and engages the crowd, but really now that I understand that he is a "prosperity" pastor, it is easy to catch the eyes of the younger. "look how cool and hip he is."

hmmmmm. that puts a bit of a damper on how I look at him.Glad I read that!
 

dlc.nla

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What makes you so sure any of his money comes from the church? I know nothing of this man, but I have known well a few very wealthy preachers. They may take a small housing stipend from the church, but they put much more into the church & community than they took out.

Most of them did well for themselves in livestock, authoring books, investments, hotels, etc.

I don't subscribe to a "prosperity theology", but I don't think a pastor has to live so modestly as long as he/she is not using the church money.

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A blog comment about Judah Smith:

"Imagine you are a 40-something year old man who has been going to church for a while. You have a demanding career as some kind of professional, and your wife works very full workweeks as well. You come home from working late days, and your wife is as stressed out as you. On top of that, you have a 17 year old son, 15 year old daughter, and a 12 year old daughter.

Now, you not only have to handle all the craziness and stress that comes with that, you also have cart the two younger ones around to school events, practices, friend’s houses, etc. Is that all you have to do? Of course not. You also have to: deal with teenage problems, monitor your kids progress in school, worry about paying for their college, worry about what they are doing with their friends, worry about who is contacting your daughter on Facebook, hear about your middle daughter’s boyfriend who you can’t stand (especially since she isn’t even supposed to have one, so she calls him a “friendâ€), etc. You have a variable rate mortgage that is about to skyrocket, so you are worried about your house payments now, as well as your car needing a new transmission.

You spend the whole week worrying about real life stuff that stresses you and your wife out so much that sometimes the only person that talks less to you than your kids, is your wife. However, in the midst of all this insanity, you find solace and comfort in being able to go to church on Sunday. In a way, it recharges you, reorients your perspective, and allows you to start anew for the week ahead. You look forward to hearing some wisdom from your pastor– someone who can identify with you and your needs. They can speak from the Word of God in a way that gives you all you need and more, making everything okay. You’ve been waiting all week for this, and it will be worth it…

Then Judah Smith walks up to the pulpit.

There he is: A kid barely older than your own kids. He even seems trendier than they are–he’s wearing the man-version of the jeans that your daughter begged you for, but you wouldn’t buy for her because no one in their right mind would pay $350 for a pair of jeans.

But you catch yourself. This is church, after all. You realize that it might be best to leave that kind of thinking at the door. This is church, and no one here at The City Church is supposed to judge, after all. You decide to give him a chance. Time slows to a trickle. Halfway through the sermon you come to realize the density of his message, with respect to the real world, is like watching a Saltine cracker floating down a raging river. So much for chances.

You showed up to be spiritually filled by someone who can touch your spirit in ways that are unique because they have a way of identifying with you, and others like you, thus speaking to your needs. Instead you get a spoiled pastor’s son who didn’t have to work to become a youth pastor, let alone a head pastor. It shows.

Oh, well… I guess you will have to take your real world problems to a church whose pastor lives in the real world, and can identify with you in some tangible way. Guess you will have to add finding a new church to the long list of things you already had to do this week."

'Nuf said.....
 

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I'm glad it's all coming together for you.

BTW lots of real scumbags, not saying he is in anyway, can hold the attention of the masses. I don't want to point out anyone in specific but there were a few European dictators just before WW2 that rallied ALOT of people to some fanatical causes.

Be careful what you hear and see. If being a pastor is your path in life, so be it, but a secular path is a road to be travelled with caution.

Obi Wan said it best. "Only a Sith speaks in absolutes." Keep an open mind and always ask the questions your told not to ask. No one should follow a life of blind faith. We should all follow a life curious wonder.
 

dlc.nla

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I'm glad it's all coming together for you.

BTW lots of real scumbags, not saying he is in anyway, can hold the attention of the masses. I don't want to point out anyone in specific but there were a few European dictators just before WW2 that rallied ALOT of people to some fanatical causes.

Be careful what you hear and see. If being a pastor is your path in life, so be it, but a secular path is a road to be travelled with caution.

Obi Wan said it best. "Only a Sith speaks in absolutes." Keep an open mind and always ask the questions your told not to ask. No one should follow a life of blind faith. We should all follow a life curious wonder.

VERY well said, by an obviously very wise Jedi ;)

Remember: question everything.

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JB123

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LOL THANK YOU
is there a rep version of this? or would the "gold" flake?
 

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There does seem to be a rep version but all the listings/threads about it are from years ago so it may not be produced any more. Let me know if you find out that it is still made, I'd like one as well, this is a watch I've been searching for too. Here is a listing for it, which is from a dealer NOT A TRUSTED DEALER HERE but trusted over at RWG, which was put up in 2006 but has a link to QC pictures from only a couple months ago, suggesting it is maybe still produced:

http://www.yourtrustytime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_45&products_id=298

Oh and, over time, the gold would not flake but could be scratched away if you get very deep scratches, or tarnish. As near as all replicas in our game are plated.
 

revhrd

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Couldn't you get a ss case, take it to a trusted jeweler and have him use real gold? That's what i would contemplate only in either rose or white gold.