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How well can the pams handle water?

Lorentzo

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I swam with over 10 pams
some out of the box some tested first
nowadays I always grease the seals
but I have never had the slightest problem

What are the seals to grease in a Pam? Is it only the caseback or do you have to do something with the crown also?
 

phillycheez

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The point is reps are reps. Get them tested and waterproofed no matter who you bought it from! There is no guarantee unless you get it done yourself.
 

RobbDizzle

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Caseback, crown o-ring, and if you're building it the crystal should be pressed in well. Make sure that the CG is pressing the crown in far enough to compress the o-ring.

I agree with parts of both sides here. My opinion: I trust the dealers I work with that if they say it's waterproofed, then it is. However, when I spend 2-300 on a watch, I refuse to rely solely on trust. That's why I take the 15 minutes and spend the $20 and make it an issue of experience instead of only an issue of trust. I understand that smas and others (myself included, way back when) have had verifiable experience of waterproof out of the box, but myself and others also refuse to leave it at that. That's why I also do my own regulating, cleaning, etc. out of the box in addition to waterproofing. I like to be sure, is all. I mean, trust in your dealer verified by pressure testing is surely better than trust alone.
 

smascarinas

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+1 However for me it doesn't matter if it leaks when I swim out of the box... Here' my reason.

1. Get credit for fixing it from dealer

2. I get to service it and get it waterproofed at the same time for roughly the same amount of Dealer Credit.

So... makes sense to me to just go in and dive... I get best of both words whether leak or no leak.


I mean, trust in your dealer verified by pressure testing is surely better than trust alone.
 

OiRogers

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I gave the seals on my 026k the once over with silicon grease and tossed it on a Toscana SeaWaterProof strap... Swam with it several times... Good to at least 18 feet... Deepest I went with it thus far.
Dang strap did bleed a bit of dye on my wrist though... Got a nut brown stain on my wrist ATM... Hoping it wears off soon. if not, at least my Pams cover it. :p
 

Lorentzo

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This is no good :( waterproof testing in Sweden seems to cost between 50-80$. It can't be that expensive to put the watch in a box and wait for a few minutes!

Hmm cost of a new movement is around that price I think. Probably I will do it the risky way - jump in the water and pray it is waterproof.
 

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If you have the tools, you could remove the movement and dial and hands and just swim with the empty case to test it :)
 

Dodgy

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Damn some people are taking this stuff personal.

Rsea is correct to be skeptical, i deal with Chinese businessmen every single day, they tell me not to trust their word!

Samascarinas> Now that your panties are in a bunch over a simple matter of opinion and experience.....Hows that new 177 handling the water?
 

smascarinas

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It's actually DOA... but I will put it in water tonight to see if it leaks... will post a video.


Damn some people are taking this stuff personal.

Rsea is correct to be skeptical, i deal with Chinese businessmen every single day, they tell me not to trust their word!

Samascarinas> Now that your panties are in a bunch over a simple matter of opinion and experience.....Hows that new 177 handling the water?
 

Dodgy

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It's actually DOA... but I will put it in water tonight to see if it leaks... will post a video.

Amazing, you don't get it.
The dealer told you it worked, no doubt it did when it left.
Its doesn't work now, he told you it would. How in gods name could that happen?

There are guys with experience telling you that a dealer saying its water proof doesn't necessarily make it so.

You are telling them they are wrong.

Its like you telling me my dog isnt asleep at the end of my couch.

Do you get it yet?
 

smascarinas

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What's your problem with me? What do you mean I don't get it... The box was pretty beat up so it makes sense that there was a lot of bumping and grinding on the way here.

I will put it in water and if it doesn't leak then... it was water proofed properly as I asked. So yeah transit has a big factor in why the watch is not working properly. Or maybe the way it was packaged....etc...

But as far as Lay goes he personally guarantees and people don't have a problem with it. Angus does too... so we will see later tonight. They become Trusted Dealers for a reason... no reason no to hold them to higher standards especially since out TD list is growing.

So maybe we should stop living in the past.... "we have dealers that guarantee it now." When they did the "Best sub challenge"...Lay wasn't part of it... and I believe Angus was the only one that passed the WaterProof Challenge.

Amazing, you don't get it.
The dealer told you it worked, no doubt it did when it left.
Its doesn't work now, he told you it would. How in gods name could that happen?

There are guys with experience telling you that a dealer saying its water proof doesn't necessarily make it so.

You are telling them they are wrong.

Its like you telling me my dog isnt asleep at the end of my couch.

Do you get it yet?
 

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Ok boys play nice!

Mate, I'll try again on behalf of those who have tried to set you straight.
NEVER trust that a watch is water proof regardless of what the dealer tells you!

I have just done a proper water proofing job on a watch from a dealer that was supposed to be water proofed. The crystal blew off at 2ATM! The damn thing is so lose it's a wonder it didn't pop off on the plane. The only reason it didn't is it was so lose the pressure had time to equalise as the plane descended. It is now re attached with UV glue and is actually capable of being swum with. Had it been taken swimming out of the box (guaranteed water proof remember) it would have flooded without a doubt. Please believe what the guys are telling you, have each and every watch checked by testing in a pressure tester before getting them anywhere near water. Failure to do so will end in tears sooner or later, trust me.



Col.
 

Streetrod

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The only problem here is swimming..
If there is really a need to associate with liquid, go drinking.
 

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The only problem here is swimming..
If there is really a need to associate with liquid, go drinking.

Now that is the best advice in this thread! What is the big deal with wearing a watch while swimming, especially a Pam? If you need a pool watch, go buy a Seiko Diver's or get a 50 dollar TS submariner and grease the hell out of it!
 

smascarinas

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Hey Col Which dealer was it? Angus or Lay? Cause so far those are the only two that guarantees it that I know of.

I'm not sure if you are talking about the website specs where it says WR 50 meters or something like that... because that I wouldn't trust. But if you are talking about Lay or Angus or another dealer that guarantees it when asked specifically then different story.



Ok boys play nice!

Mate, I'll try again on behalf of those who have tried to set you straight.
NEVER trust that a watch is water proof regardless of what the dealer tells you!

I have just done a proper water proofing job on a watch from a dealer that was supposed to be water proofed. The crystal blew off at 2ATM! The damn thing is so lose it's a wonder it didn't pop off on the plane. The only reason it didn't is it was so lose the pressure had time to equalise as the plane descended. It is now re attached with UV glue and is actually capable of being swum with. Had it been taken swimming out of the box (guaranteed water proof remember) it would have flooded without a doubt. Please believe what the guys are telling you, have each and every watch checked by testing in a pressure tester before getting them anywhere near water. Failure to do so will end in tears sooner or later, trust me.



Col.

Maybe some of us like to look cool in our watches :) ... Also love my watches that I buy that I want to be able to take it in the water.

I have a seiko monster and an orient as well... but not as cool as the DSSD or the PAM... and I wanna take those bad boys to the pool, beach...etc...

Now that is the best advice in this thread! What is the big deal with wearing a watch while swimming, especially a Pam? If you need a pool watch, go buy a Seiko Diver's or get a 50 dollar TS submariner and grease the hell out of it!
 

tokeyx

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How do you guys grease/waterproof yourself? How much is the machine to pressure test? If it's only a couple hundred, maybe I'll buy one :)
 

Drulee

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I swam with over 10 pams
some out of the box some tested first
nowadays I always grease the seals
but I have never had the slightest problem

Taking a bath, while flailing your arms outside of it, is not "swimming". :D