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How anal are you?
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these are all good points.
little things can be a pain but c'est la vie.
I have a rather nice fiddy that has dust on the inside of the dial. if i am wearing it around you cant notice it. hold it up to ultraviolet light or on a bright day, there it is. oh well.
Narikka is right, if you want perfection you will have to go to china and inspect it yourself. HOWEVER, to the dealers I do have a suggestion. I collect shotguns, etc. some of the gundealers i use also sell vintage WWII rifles. now for example a war used mauser will go for $150 you may get lucky and get one in wicked shape, you may get a canoe paddle. BUT, for an additional $50 to $100 the dealer will hand pick and give you the best possible. Why don't the dealers offer a $50 or $75 premium to have it scanned with a 10x loupe, and make sure it is perfect. Honestly, you may get people paying the extra for that. I probably would pay an extra $50 for a perfect example with no dust inside the dial etc etc.
just my two cents worth
little things can be a pain but c'est la vie.
I have a rather nice fiddy that has dust on the inside of the dial. if i am wearing it around you cant notice it. hold it up to ultraviolet light or on a bright day, there it is. oh well.
Narikka is right, if you want perfection you will have to go to china and inspect it yourself. HOWEVER, to the dealers I do have a suggestion. I collect shotguns, etc. some of the gundealers i use also sell vintage WWII rifles. now for example a war used mauser will go for $150 you may get lucky and get one in wicked shape, you may get a canoe paddle. BUT, for an additional $50 to $100 the dealer will hand pick and give you the best possible. Why don't the dealers offer a $50 or $75 premium to have it scanned with a 10x loupe, and make sure it is perfect. Honestly, you may get people paying the extra for that. I probably would pay an extra $50 for a perfect example with no dust inside the dial etc etc.
just my two cents worth
Agreed. i would pay extra too.pete2528ca said:
Quality assurance and guaranteed satisfaction is always worth a little. In the rep buisiness, no such guarantee, no such luck.
I think what will happen soon is people like my friend or even me will stop buying uninspected watches at high price like $340 or even like $600 now too.
Oh, Andrew and Josh do offer $120 servicing but heck, that is a whole other watch... I think some price gouging is an occurence here.
I remember some threads from members who have gone to Asia and got their newly bought reps serviced there for like $30 or something. So, why $120??? Waterproofing?? That expensive?
Surely we buy reps becasue they look nice and we don't a common or garden looker. Something different. So few "outsiders" know the difference and they think a Big Bang is something different from what you do! We must know they are not perfect, who are we trying to kid, especially for the money. The more complex the original, and the more accurate the rep, the more it costs - simple eh? It still isn't perfect though.
A perfect replica or a perfect watch? Is the Steelfish only just acceptable because the datefont window the wrong thickness? Or do you just enjoy the look of the gen and a rep of a nice piece for a fraction of the the price. However good, it is not quite the real thing. For that you pay 7-10 times as much and a warm comfortable inner glow. Are we trying to break the mystique of the super/fantasy watchmakers and their prices or are we trying to create our own mytiique as to who we are, or how rich we are.
I thank this site for giving me access to things I cannot now afford and I pick up what looks nice to me and I can afford-which isn't much! Narikaa you are right - I don't really enjoy Subs any more and the serch for the perfect one is perhaps just a little boring.
I suppose the answer is - I'm not particularly anal.
You want perfect - buy the gen, and they have faults too. At least you can send or take it back to you AD. A Seiko quartz keeps better time than some of the automatics we seem to crave.
Go to a good dealer/trader and wear the watch well and enjoy them for what they are - reps of nice looking pieces that take our fancy.
A perfect replica or a perfect watch? Is the Steelfish only just acceptable because the datefont window the wrong thickness? Or do you just enjoy the look of the gen and a rep of a nice piece for a fraction of the the price. However good, it is not quite the real thing. For that you pay 7-10 times as much and a warm comfortable inner glow. Are we trying to break the mystique of the super/fantasy watchmakers and their prices or are we trying to create our own mytiique as to who we are, or how rich we are.
I thank this site for giving me access to things I cannot now afford and I pick up what looks nice to me and I can afford-which isn't much! Narikaa you are right - I don't really enjoy Subs any more and the serch for the perfect one is perhaps just a little boring.
I suppose the answer is - I'm not particularly anal.
You want perfect - buy the gen, and they have faults too. At least you can send or take it back to you AD. A Seiko quartz keeps better time than some of the automatics we seem to crave.
Go to a good dealer/trader and wear the watch well and enjoy them for what they are - reps of nice looking pieces that take our fancy.
I'm sorry...but what the hell is the point of being "anal" about reps.
seriously...we are very lucky to have the quality of reps that we do. a scratch here and there who gives a frackin frack??
you buy a watch to wear it, three hundred or three thousand, it still gets used same way, in the end you are still using it.
if you buy a new car and it rains are you going to trade it in right away?
if you buy shoes and someone steps on them are you going to cry and return them?
seriously who gives a damn? I buy a watch to wear it, not to baby the hell out of it. I scratch it, wah.
end rant.
seriously...we are very lucky to have the quality of reps that we do. a scratch here and there who gives a frackin frack??
you buy a watch to wear it, three hundred or three thousand, it still gets used same way, in the end you are still using it.
if you buy a new car and it rains are you going to trade it in right away?
if you buy shoes and someone steps on them are you going to cry and return them?
seriously who gives a damn? I buy a watch to wear it, not to baby the hell out of it. I scratch it, wah.
end rant.
TTK, I take no offense and understand your POV as well, and can even understand why you would want to cross me off your prospect list--but then again, I'm not really a prospect as we have already done business
CISO
Novesh, I think you are pretty much right. You buy what you like and wear it well.
You want, and expect it to work as a watch, rep or gen. You expect to get the product you see advertised and pictured. If you don't like what you see, and you see its not "perfect" or acceptable with its visual imperfections, don't buy it! As long as you get the product shown, as dvertised. Don't buy "on spec", and then expect it to be exactly like the gen with all functions.
If you want it "perfect", buy the gen. Then you can moan at them and get it changed or whatever. You can't expect to pay 10% of the price for 100% of the product. All you can expect is 100% of a facsimile.
You want, and expect it to work as a watch, rep or gen. You expect to get the product you see advertised and pictured. If you don't like what you see, and you see its not "perfect" or acceptable with its visual imperfections, don't buy it! As long as you get the product shown, as dvertised. Don't buy "on spec", and then expect it to be exactly like the gen with all functions.
If you want it "perfect", buy the gen. Then you can moan at them and get it changed or whatever. You can't expect to pay 10% of the price for 100% of the product. All you can expect is 100% of a facsimile.
Anyone who is a perfectionist should not collect reps...period. They will experience way too much self inflicted stress and pain over nothing that will take all the fun out of owning reps. I buy watches because I think they are cool. They make me happy. I have and probably never will have a rep modded. I can't see putting more money into something that already makes me happy.... A rep is what it is and I personally cringe thinking of the BS our dealers have to put up with from unrealistic buyers.... JMO
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A rep is what it is and I personally cringe thinking of the BS our dealers have to put up with from unrealistic buyers.... JMOHiggy 8)
OK, here is my take on all of this. You can NOT expect the same level of finish and quality control on a $100 - $400 replica as you should expect from a $2,000 and up GEN. There is a reason that the gen costs more. If I get a small microscopic splotch on a rollei rep that goes for $200, I'm not as upset as I would be if I found the same flaw on a $4,000 rollie gen.
The reps we see here are mind blowing. The quality is amazing for the money. But, we need to remember that these are reps. No matter how much you pay for that slightly better date font, and no matter how much you mod the watch, (listen carefully) IT WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE A GEN!!!!!!!!!!
Some people here are very appreciative of what they are getting for their money. I have had other customers that are insane in their expectations.
I inspect all of my watches when I pick them and I hand pick them. I use an eye loupe, and I check several points on the watch. I check for alignment, as in magnifiers being over the date, and the small 6:00 crown being over the 6. I check the silkscreening to make sure the letters are not broken, I test the crown, and the date wheel to make sure that it works properly. I make sure the crown screws in smoothly. I can go on and on, but you should have the picture by now.
Now, I also don't have a lot of time to do this all. so sometimes I may miss a small flaw. However, these tend to be VERY small flaws. This is to be expected, as these watches can't be inspected for everything.
Still things do get missed, and that is to be expected. Also, occasional problems do tend to happen. I can only check a movement b y winding the watch, and setting the time. If the watch keeps good time for a day or two, I expect it will continue to do so. I had one watch that kept great time when the watch was sitting, or on the watch winder. It did not keep time when it was on the wrist. I exchanged the watch. That is where the service of the dealer comes in.
So, be realistic in your expectations, and you will enjoy your hobby a lot more.
The reps we see here are mind blowing. The quality is amazing for the money. But, we need to remember that these are reps. No matter how much you pay for that slightly better date font, and no matter how much you mod the watch, (listen carefully) IT WILL NEVER EVER EVER BE A GEN!!!!!!!!!!
Some people here are very appreciative of what they are getting for their money. I have had other customers that are insane in their expectations.
I inspect all of my watches when I pick them and I hand pick them. I use an eye loupe, and I check several points on the watch. I check for alignment, as in magnifiers being over the date, and the small 6:00 crown being over the 6. I check the silkscreening to make sure the letters are not broken, I test the crown, and the date wheel to make sure that it works properly. I make sure the crown screws in smoothly. I can go on and on, but you should have the picture by now.
Now, I also don't have a lot of time to do this all. so sometimes I may miss a small flaw. However, these tend to be VERY small flaws. This is to be expected, as these watches can't be inspected for everything.
Still things do get missed, and that is to be expected. Also, occasional problems do tend to happen. I can only check a movement b y winding the watch, and setting the time. If the watch keeps good time for a day or two, I expect it will continue to do so. I had one watch that kept great time when the watch was sitting, or on the watch winder. It did not keep time when it was on the wrist. I exchanged the watch. That is where the service of the dealer comes in.
So, be realistic in your expectations, and you will enjoy your hobby a lot more.
Didnt read all of the threads but I think I get the Jist...
For me it would have to be a pretty big flaw before I would get excited and want to return the watch. I dont really get too excieted over minor shit thought. Hell I dont pay enough for my reps to complain in the first place and I think my reps are pretty darn nice. ON the other hand if I were paying some of the prices that some members pay of $500 and up for a Rep. and found out it was messed up, then Id definately be alot more anal about it. Especially if it were a flaw that could be very easily seen with a naked eye...
For me it would have to be a pretty big flaw before I would get excited and want to return the watch. I dont really get too excieted over minor shit thought. Hell I dont pay enough for my reps to complain in the first place and I think my reps are pretty darn nice. ON the other hand if I were paying some of the prices that some members pay of $500 and up for a Rep. and found out it was messed up, then Id definately be alot more anal about it. Especially if it were a flaw that could be very easily seen with a naked eye...
I for one agree with WBK on this. I happen to understand the POV of a dealer from my personal life. People must understand that they're paying 200-300 dollars for the replica of a $10,000 watch. So obviously is not going to be identical with the gen, period.
Also I feel the topic of this thread is in poor taste and frankly a better euphemism for nitpicking could have been found. This is a family friendly board and you never know when you have to explain what "#nal" means to a little girl who's just learning to read, like I just had to.
Also I feel the topic of this thread is in poor taste and frankly a better euphemism for nitpicking could have been found. This is a family friendly board and you never know when you have to explain what "#nal" means to a little girl who's just learning to read, like I just had to.
Anubis said:
I appreciate your thoughts, but since when has anal been considered a swear word. You need to look it up in the dictionary.
otherwise we can dumb down the board so that nothing that is written would be above a six year old mentality? 8, maybe.
meh, I guess you guys are all right. i should stop sweating the little things. dust on the inside of the crystals i guess is a common occurance. i took a look at a citizen i have and noticed that the writing (which is glued on like a decal almost) is crooked. on one of my genuine sectors, the lume on the indices is not centred, on the other sector, the bezel is loose, moves up and down, and the third gen sector, the lume is also crooked. the citizen was a six hundred dollar watch, and each of the sectors was over a grand. at the government building i work at i have had now six people in a week stop me to look at my watch and while no one knows what a panerai is, everyone has commented on how heavy it is, and how nice it looks.
its all good.
its all good.
I did look it up, thank you for the suggestion. It was pretty much what I thought it was, imagine that. I'm not saying dumb it down, but there is a reason why the Admins don't allow racy pics in this board. (just look @ the 1st sticky on the Looney Bin Section, albeit it's about porn, but guess how many porn flicks start with that word) I'm by no means a prude and I'm sure any board member can attest to that, but I'd like to think people here certainly have a larger dictionary than a 6yr old, at least I hope and hope springs eternal, right?
robertk said:
@Ciso.....I'm glad that you've taken no offense......my post was simply to draw attention to the fact that when you take a stance that the shop / store / supplier feels is outwith his control and that the demands being made are perhaps not unreasonable.....but unrealistic.......then the shop / store / supplier can and indeed does take an opposing stance that can dissipate the releationship entirely......sometimes it's not good to throw the baby out with the bathwater.....!
We must not forget that this 'bizness" is entirely illegal and not subject to the normal BBB rules.......I'm sure we'd all love to be 10"+.....but sometimes you just have to pee with the pecker you have.....!
It's all good. Anyone voicing their opinion should be ready to accept any result of same.
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yeah, but 10 inches plus really dosnt matter because the average depth of a womans va&*na is only six inches at the max, so realistically the last four inches are wasted.
now me being italian, dont have that problem....however since the post is about anal, now that becomes an entirely different story =)
sorry guys, had to do it....
now me being italian, dont have that problem....however since the post is about anal, now that becomes an entirely different story =)
sorry guys, had to do it....
I agree with anubis. By no means did I intend to make this thread or the forum into a porn/adult XXX/perverted or otherwise site with my thread title. In no way di d I mean to offend any six year old child anywhere in the world, as I have four children of my own, I would not want to offend them in any way and so...Anubis said:I did look it up, thank you for the suggestion. It was pretty much what I thought it was, imagine that. I'm not saying dumb it down, but there is a reason why the Admins don't allow racy pics in this board. (just look @ the 1st sticky on the Looney Bin Section, albeit it's about porn, but guess how many porn flicks start with that word) I'm by no means a prude and I'm sure any board member can attest to that, but I'd like to think people here certainly have a larger dictionary than a 6yr old, at least I hope and hope springs eternal, right?
robertk said:
I sincerely apologise to Anubis and other members for my being so insensitive and thoughtless. I would like Admin to delete this whole thread now please.
Sorry.