Help! Troubles swaping an A2824 to Gen ETA 2824-2 in BP Explorer 214270

[SkyMaster337]

Looking at the original movement, I see no dial spacer. I think your watch maker needs to install the new movement in the same configuration as the original clone - calendar parts removed, no spacer.

P.s. the movement is sitting too low.

I was insisting him to do that from the beginig, removing the calendar but he also insisted in leaving it as it is at will not interfere and I wont see it anyways.

Question @Hor-Fan :
-The dial spacer doesnt belong to the movement so how are you gonna see it?? Dont get this.

Also, when he milled down the spacer this second time, I ssume the spacer was formerly there otherwise which spacer has he milled down? Dont think he added one to then try to mille it down as that would be stupid.

You are right, too low, I said too high several times refering to the watch upside down, sorry for confusing.

 

[SkyMaster337]

@KJ2020 Yes I am sure it is a 2824-2 as I bought it from @Energo here in the forum M2M section.

 

[gmtmaster777]

-The dial spacer doesnt belong to the movement so how are you gonna see it?? Dont get this.

Dial spacer usually a separate part from the dial also from the movement. It just help keeping space betweeb the dial and movement for the date calendar to be able to move freely

 

[KJ2020]

A dial spacer is used to create space under the dial for movement parts clearance, a main part being the datewheel. Using a spacer pushes the movement and the stem hole down in the case by an amount equal to its thickness.

If you thin a spacer, the movement rises in the case by the amount thinned. If the movement is still too low, thin more or remove it since you (should) have no calendar parts.

 

[gmtmaster777]

Sorry I misunderstood the origin of your question ..

 

[Hor-Fan]

I was insisting him to do that from the beginig, removing the calendar but he also insisted in leaving it as it is at will not interfere and I wont see it anyways.

Question @Hor-Fan :
-The dial spacer doesnt belong to the movement so how are you gonna see it?? Dont get this.

Also, when he milled down the spacer this second time, I ssume the spacer was formerly there otherwise which spacer has he milled down? Dont think he added one to then try to mille it down as that would be stupid.

You are right, too low, I said too high several times refering to the watch upside down, sorry for confusing.

As the others said, the only reason a spacer is needed is provide space for date wheel function. Your original clone has no date wheel and no spacer, the movement you purchased from Energo had both date wheel and spacer intact.

 

[SkyMaster337]

@Hor-Fan but what you mean with the movement I bought from Energo had the spacer intact? Here might be the key.

To my understanting the movement I bought was just the bare movement with no spacer on it. Or Eta movements come with some sort of extra spacer?

I thought If there was any spacer must have been on the watch betwen the previous movement and the dial.

 

[Hor-Fan]

@Hor-Fan but what you mean with the movement I bought from Energo had the spacer intact? Here might be the key.

To my understanting the movement I bought was just the bare movement with no spacer on it. Or Eta movements come with some sort of extra spacer?

I thought If there was any spacer must have been on the watch betwen the previous movement and the dial.

It is a standard part on new date movements, it’s simply a metal ring that fits on the perimeter of the movement on the dial side. It was there on the movement you purchased, you just didn’t realize it was a separate, removable part.

 

[Hor-Fan]

 

[Hor-Fan]

 

[SkyMaster337]

It is a standard part on new date movements, it’s simply a metal ring that fits on the perimeter of the movement on the dial side. It was there on the movement you purchased, you just didn’t realize it was a separate, removable part.

Fuck man, that could be it. I didnt know it was now integrated in new date movements and my watchsmith might not realized the one which took off did not had it.

Then after the first try, he milled it down but still not enough because he should have removed it.

Hence so simple task which became so twisted.

Stay tuned and will keep you informed!

Thanks very much @Hor-Fan, You are genius!

 

[Hor-Fan]

Fuck man, that could be it. I didnt know it was now integrated in new date movements and my watchsmith might not realized the one which took off did not had it.

Then after the first try, he milled it down but still not enough because he should have removed it.

Hence so simple task which became so twisted.

Stay tuned and will keep you informed!

Thanks very much @Hor-Fan, You are genius!

…and tell him to take off the damned calendar parts! Same as the clone.

 

[KJ2020]

It doesn't look like your 2824 bought from @Energo had a dial spacer mounted on it in your pics of it in his sale thread.

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Never seen such trouble swapping a 2824, wow.

 

[SkyMaster337]

@KJ2020 ,must have added a spacer since he told me he milled it to make it thinner. Now its all clear! Thanks you all

 

[drew4601]

Just chiming in,

bought the same watch (Bpf 316L w/ "2836 w/c was actually a 2824")
bought the same movement, eta 2824-2 from energo (same as OP)

found a local watchsmith who used to work for cartier.

had a 2801 setting lever jumper installed to skip over the date position.

minor hiccup where he claims sufficiently tightening the screws on the movement ring would stop the movement.
ended up just tightening as much as allowable w/ a hint of loctite as security.

everything seems okay so far. +4/day based on his timegrapher (old movement was running +20-30/day)

 

[tripdog]

As the others said, the only reason a spacer is needed is provide space for date wheel function.

Partly true, but if you remove it and then try to fit that movement in a case that has been machined specifically for that calibre then you will may issues with stem height - the dial is now sitting closer to the top plate of the movement/movement has been raised up in the case.
Also the copper washer is now in full contact with the dial, which is not how it should be.

Also, when he milled down the spacer this second time

The fact he was able to 'mill' a dial spacer ring once, amazes me, the fact he managed to 'mill' it twice astounds me. These things are so thin and fragile that milling is out of the question. Maybe you should tell your 'watchmaker' than dial spacers exist not only in different diameters but also in different heights.

what do u think could have gone wrong?

Looks like you chose one of those 'make believe' watchmakers - this is really very very basic stuff.

If he can't work out why a movement is sitting too high or too low in a case then he is eventually going to end up damaging your watch.