Help me understand timegrapher

[Dave2302]

@Karbon74

I have Weishi 1900, it detects Beat Rate automatically, but requires manually setting lift angle if it's different from the default 52 degrees

If I use mine I'm going to have to make one

Once you use it you will use it on every mechanical watch you buy

I just use a couple of pieces of suitable size wiring shrink wrap cut to size and shrunk on.

 

[Kerbus]

For starters, I'm going to test a 1680 which is supposed to have patina,so if it scratches,it's fine

 

[Karbon74]

Nope. Lift angle always has to be set manually afaik.

Thanks
I thought i heard it in a youtube video on the 1900 but I am probably wrong then

 

[Dave2302]

I'm going to test a 1680 which is supposed to have patina,so if it scratches,it's fine

That's why I don't buy Vintage, I would want them to all be in mint condition, if I mark one of my watches I'm suicidal and the language is disgustingly foul even by my standards

 

[Kerbus]

That's how I am about my cars. Just added spray wax last week and did an oil change yesterday

 

[sdiver68]

You seriously need to do more research

Look at my join date. I've probably forgotten more on this topic than most will know.

Ive done the research, and everything I'm seeing is 53 degrees. Some argue for 55 as "F it" setting, and yet others point to literature from DD that suggests 59.

The bottom line, when do we start holding these factories accountable for movement builds in the same way rehaut printing is scrutinized? 230 (adjusted for LA) should not be a GL.

 

[Dave2302]

I've probably forgotten more on this topic than most will know.

If you say so

 

[dogwood]

Look at my join date. I've probably forgotten more on this topic than most will know.

Ive done the research, and everything I'm seeing is 53 degrees. Some argue for 55 as "F it" setting, and yet others point to literature from DD that suggests 59.

The bottom line, when do we start holding these factories accountable for movement builds in the same way rehaut printing is scrutinized? 230 (adjusted for LA) should not be a GL.

I believe that @WatchSmith.US has measured the lift angle on a Dandong 3235, so perhaps he could enlighten us.

To your point of an amplitude of 230 being grounds for RL, I’m not sure I agree — 32xx movements have lower amplitude as a trade off for longer power reserve. (Or at least that’s my understanding). Counter intuitively, higher amplitude can be due to under lubrication… if you’d like to check this, try servicing a movement but leave the escape wheel pivots un-lubricated, check the amplitude, then add 9010 to the escape wheel pivots and see what the amplitude does — It decreases. Lubricants act as a barrier to prevent wear, but in doing so they can in fact increase friction. A movement that’s not properly lubricated will run with high amplitude right up until it doesn’t run at all due to the wheel pivots becoming worn.

 

[Karbon74]

The bottom line, when do we start holding these factories accountable for movement builds in the same way rehaut printing is scrutinized? 230 (adjusted for LA) should not be a GL.

This kind of thinking is why the TD prices increase.

If you are unhappy with the mvt, service it or swap it… it’s just a fake, FFS

 

[sdiver68]

This kind of thinking is why the TD prices increase.

If you are unhappy with the mvt, service it or swap it… it’s just a fake, FFS

This kind of thinking is why there has always been tiers.

 

[Karbon74]

This kind of thinking is why there has always been tiers.

I can swap a movement, I can fix most small alignment issues and I can get a movement to optimal amplitude…so yeah, I know what tier I am in

 

[sdiver68]

I can swap a movement, I can fix most small alignment issues and I can get a movement to optimal amplitude…so yeah, I know what tier I am in

Great! So what is the optimal amplitude?

 

[Karbon74]

Great! So what is the optimal amplitude?

The reasonable one you can achieve with a low cost clone made with sub standard materials and tolerances.

Go learn to do some watchmaking by yourself. You will then understand how ridiculous some of your earlier statements were.

Or don’t and stay in your beliefs that you are right. Your clumsy attempts at trolling are pathetic.

In both cases, it does not matter to me.
Take care and have a nice day.

 

[Dave2302]

The reasonable one you can achieve with a low cost clone made with sub standard materials and tolerances.

Go learn to do some watchmaking by yourself. You will then understand how ridiculous some of your earlier statements were.

Or don’t and stay in your beliefs that you are right. Your clumsy attempts at trolling are pathetic.

In both cases, it does not matter to me.
Take care and have a nice day.

 

[sdiver68]

https://www.reddit.com/r/RepTimeServices/s/9zIrpET4fQ

 

[sdiver68]

The reasonable one you can achieve with a low cost clone made with sub standard materials and tolerances.

Go learn to do some watchmaking by yourself. You will then understand how ridiculous some of your earlier statements were.

Or don’t and stay in your beliefs that you are right. Your clumsy attempts at trolling are pathetic.

In both cases, it does not matter to me.
Take care and have a nice day.

Trolling? WTF?

Im engaged in a legit debate here, using evidence from the entire eorld of horology with decades of experience including building movements myself, and Im the troll?

What financial incentive do you have to convince people that 230 is healthy? Or are you simply so ego driven as to not engage in discussion that might challenge your existing belief?

 

[MaximillianGT]

Look at my join date.

I wouldn’t be so quick to brag if I were you. Honestly, if I had your join date and displayed the same level of ignorance, I’d risk getting a duplicate account banner just to start fresh and avoid such embarrassment, almost scandalous.

 

[sdiver68]

OK you all win. Its apparent that legit debate that challenges conventional wisdom and ask for actual evidence is not accepted here. Carry on, I'm done here. Enjoy your bubble.

 

[MaximillianGT]

OK you all win. Its apparent that legit debate that challenges conventional wisdom and ask for actual evidence is not accepted here. Carry on, I'm done here. Enjoy your bubble.

No, don’t double down on your ignorance. Plenty of people here have legitimate, healthy debates here on RWI. It’s your ignorance combined with that cocky attitude that’s doing you no favors.

 

[asusundevils1971]

OK you all win. Its apparent that legit debate that challenges conventional wisdom and ask for actual evidence is not accepted here. Carry on, I'm done here. Enjoy your bubble

You talk about actual evidence but you have brought nothing to this thread backing up your 53 degree lift angle setting claim that Rolex updated for the 32XX movements.
I sent you this link

Minus4PLUS6.com - Rolex Education

www.minus4plus6.com

The Dandong 3235 / 3230 should have the lift angle set to 55 degrees (not 52 degrees) on the time grapher in order for the calculated amplitude to be correct. This will cause the amplitude number on the time grapher to be calculated slightly lower than it actually is. The difference will probably be 10-15 degrees of amplitude. So just add 10-15 to the number you see for amplitude.

Our very own Rolex movement guru also chimed in confirming the 32XX movements have a 55 degree lift angle. You might have read dogwoods amazing work he has put together for the members.

Comprehensive Guide to Clone Movements Found in Rolex Reps

Change Log: August 25th 2022 - Initial version published on r/RepTime March 9th 2023 - Updated version published on RWI. Updated to include information about the new SH3285 found in C+ Factory GMTs and DD3285 found in Clean Factory GMTs. March 14th 2023 - Update to include a link to Steve's...

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Please show some links confirming your claims.