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Have you changed your GEN purchase because of what you know about replicas?
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Here is another issue...when I had the genuine, esp the JLC Diving Chrono, I asked my insurance agent if homeowners policy covered my watches and he said not really...only covers one watch for 1000.00 and thats it...so this made me nervous cause we have many people running in and out of my house due to kids and cleaning people and etc...so this made me even more nervous, as these watches were sitting in my office on watch winders.
Another reason rep's better for me.
Lastly, when I bought the gen used JLC Diving Chrono, it was horribly scratched and being the nice guy I am I said I would fix it using my own money via JLC Repair Facility but when I sent it back to JLC factory they wanted the replace the scratched bezel at a cost of 2500.00 and also wanted to replace many more parts at a total cost of 6000.00!...I only paid 6500.00 for watch used!!!!...they said the scratches on bezel was too deep to repair and had to replace it.
So I made the guy take the watch back but he refused...got paypal and my CC company involved but I missed cutoff by 2 days as it took JLC factory forever to get me a repair estimate.
Paypal and my CC really wouldnt help me.
So I just sent the watch back to the guy and forced him to take it back......and "only" then my CC company and Paypal made him return my money.
So I learned a very valuable lesson... never trust a guy off of ebay saying watch is in "excellent" shape when its obviously not...this also left a horrible taste in my mouth in gen's as it took me 3 months to resolve this issue.
And I can also get 20 nice rep watches for price of one decent gen one I wasnt going to wear very often anyway....:rofl:
You can buy insurance over and above, specifically for high end watches. If you really wanted that watch there are other ways to insure for it's safety. Buying a used gen its always risky there are ways to buy with much less risk on such an expensive watch.
I get where you coming from on the rep vs. gen, but what I'm saying is, if you want the gen, there are ways.
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As is often the case, I'm with R2 on this one...
I could care less about reps of the gens I own/have owned - in a couple of cases I have owned both.
To a purist collector, a gen is gen is gen. Simple. There is no convincing them that a rep is 'just as good', no matter how close they are, or how cheap they are - they won't have a bar of it! Since it's people like that that protect the equity in gens, I'm happy to splash on a gen now and again.
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I could care less about reps of the gens I own/have owned - in a couple of cases I have owned both.
To a purist collector, a gen is gen is gen. Simple. There is no convincing them that a rep is 'just as good', no matter how close they are, or how cheap they are - they won't have a bar of it! Since it's people like that that protect the equity in gens, I'm happy to splash on a gen now and again.
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My insurance agent said to insure my jlc it was going to be 500 per year and no way I was paying the extra premium cause after 10 years I could have bought another watch with the premium payments
Has to do with your personality... I have a friend who has many gen high end watches and he would never but a rep as he considers it as being a poser and etc but I'm sure part of the reason he hates reps is cause he has slready paid 5-6 k for 3-4 watches
Has to do with your personality... I have a friend who has many gen high end watches and he would never but a rep as he considers it as being a poser and etc but I'm sure part of the reason he hates reps is cause he has slready paid 5-6 k for 3-4 watches
I have a few gens that there is either no rep of or the rep has not been done accurately.
I also have a gen that has a somewhat decent rep, but still not there yet.
I probably would not buy a gen Panerai. For one, there are some very good reps and to, the brand doesn't really do it for me.
I also have a gen that has a somewhat decent rep, but still not there yet.
I probably would not buy a gen Panerai. For one, there are some very good reps and to, the brand doesn't really do it for me.
I would only buy two gen watches... One, omega speedmaster moon watch and two, rolex 116610LV... And that's it...
@OP: Yes. There are many watches that haven't been replicated closely (navitimer, daytona, etc).
If budget permits, it would be great to get the gens of these first.
If budget permits, it would be great to get the gens of these first.
Navitimer could be repped I think.
Maybe the one with exhibition caseback with B01 movement will be difficult though
Maybe the one with exhibition caseback with B01 movement will be difficult though
My gens are a VC Overseas, JLC Grande Reverso Duo, Rolex 114060, and Tudor Black Bay. Of these, I've had reps of the VC Overseas and Rolex 114060, and the quality of the reps simply don't compare to the gens in terms of fit and finish. Things like how smooth and precise the bracelets are, the SEL fit, the clasp operation, and the quality of the dial, hands, and finishing.
I like replicas, as they allow me to indulge in watch designs that I can't yet afford, or I can't justify spending that much on, but the only watches which seem to be replicated to truly exceptional quality levels are extremely sporty and popular watches, such as the Panerais, and AP ROOs that I'm not likely to purchase anyway. I would however seriously consider adding a gen AP Royal Oak 15202ST (not Offshore) or Patek Nautilus to my collection sometime in the distant future.
I like replicas, as they allow me to indulge in watch designs that I can't yet afford, or I can't justify spending that much on, but the only watches which seem to be replicated to truly exceptional quality levels are extremely sporty and popular watches, such as the Panerais, and AP ROOs that I'm not likely to purchase anyway. I would however seriously consider adding a gen AP Royal Oak 15202ST (not Offshore) or Patek Nautilus to my collection sometime in the distant future.
I would buy a gen as i would buy a rep. Altough you can mod your rep to match as closely as you can to the gen, you can't have a 100% exact quality as gen. Well of course many people have their own opinion towards this matter.
Reps haven't changed my preferences of gens - I still like the watches I like whether well repped or not. But it has made me MUCH more cautious and less trigger-happy when buying a gen anywhere except an AD.
Overall, though, as I've had more rep exposure I've become more convinced that gens will be the only ones which really satisfy me. With most reps, I eventually can only see the flaws when I look at them.
It's a curse, really.
Overall, though, as I've had more rep exposure I've become more convinced that gens will be the only ones which really satisfy me. With most reps, I eventually can only see the flaws when I look at them.
It's a curse, really.
The MBW 15202 rep is somewhat credible and well-made.
But the beautiful movement seen in the gen is obviously never going to be repped.
Nautilus is even higher finish quality in gen form so obviously it cannot be repped properly.
Thats exactly right, and lets not forget the low quality materials being used. You can buy into the super rep BS if you want to but in reality no matter how super the dealer claims it to be its still just a copy of a much better product.
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I'll add this: I just got tired of the problems getting rep parts, getting a rep repaired, etc. I just got a couple more reps (a 360 and a Railmaster); will flip the Omega. That's the last of them unless I buy a rep to see if I can bond with it before buying the gen, as was the case with the Railmaster.
Like many others have said I would probably never by a gen Pam111 and the like (nor do I think I would have before I came to RWI). Other than that, it hasn't changed my gen purchases that much, other than only buying from an AD or a respected re-seller. My grail is a Grand Seiko Snowflake, and as I personally don't know of any reps of this model, I'm still saving up for a gen.
I'm glad to see you have enough sense to save up for it. Theres so many guys that buy watches they cant afford to pay for, thats F'ing stupid.
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Didn't you just ask me for loan to buy that hideous Invicta?
I keed, I keed...
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Unfortunately (or should I say fortunately ?) the rep world has completely changed my way of seeing watches in general... It has made me aware of the little intricacies that are difficult to replicate because are so hard to make, it has made me aware of the extreme qc procedures genuine watches go thru, and it has made me aware or how beautiful and shiny movements are without fingerprints.
Of course it has also made em aware that Panerais are great watches buy waaaay too expensive for what they are (except the ones with the in-house movement).
It has made me aware that an ETA or modified ETA gen shouldn't cost more that 2000 usd period, because they actually cost around 500 usd to make, 250 if they are made in china . There are lots of boutique brands that are making wonderful designs , automatic Swiss Made watches that sell for less than that so name brands should be positioned to compete. But wait... There is a value on exclusivity! An design. And complexity. And materials... So you have to weight that too.!
I guess what replicas really does to us WIS guys is to make us aware of those things... So if you choose for example to buy a Hublot because you just like it, you KNOW what you are buying...
Think about it! Does a Jackson Pollock really costs 100,000 usd? It's just paint splattered on canvas! My kid can do that... But wait there is a story behind it! Exclusivity! Etc...
People just rule out gens because some kid on a factory in china can make a rep to look 99% but reps have made me weight that 1% differently! Not better or worse... Just differently,,,
Of course it has also made em aware that Panerais are great watches buy waaaay too expensive for what they are (except the ones with the in-house movement).
It has made me aware that an ETA or modified ETA gen shouldn't cost more that 2000 usd period, because they actually cost around 500 usd to make, 250 if they are made in china . There are lots of boutique brands that are making wonderful designs , automatic Swiss Made watches that sell for less than that so name brands should be positioned to compete. But wait... There is a value on exclusivity! An design. And complexity. And materials... So you have to weight that too.!
I guess what replicas really does to us WIS guys is to make us aware of those things... So if you choose for example to buy a Hublot because you just like it, you KNOW what you are buying...
Think about it! Does a Jackson Pollock really costs 100,000 usd? It's just paint splattered on canvas! My kid can do that... But wait there is a story behind it! Exclusivity! Etc...
People just rule out gens because some kid on a factory in china can make a rep to look 99% but reps have made me weight that 1% differently! Not better or worse... Just differently,,,