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Going from gen to rep – my impressions of VSF Submariner 114060 "no-date"

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For years, I had a genuine Submariner 114060 "no-date" as one of my daily beaters. I sold it during the height of COVID and have been missing it ever since. Rolex steel prices and the whole AD game are getting ridiculous though, so I recently picked up a VSF 114060. These are my personal impressions going from genuine to replica.

First of all, the VSF is incredibly close to the original. I don't think I have ever seen an unmodified rep that is this close. If the VSF were sitting in a display inside a store, I would have never guessed that it was a replica.

That said, it is not perfect. Here, I am focusing on the actual experience of wearing and handling the watch, from the perspective of someone who owned and loved the gen. I am not particularly interested in comparing macro shots and discussing tiny details that are not visible to the naked eye. Others are way better at nit-picking and hair-splitting. ;)

Case, crown, dial, hands and crystal: No issues at all – all very, very good. The case is nicely polished and even the end links fit great. The crystal is clear and looks as good as the genuine. I know about the "floating m," but I believe this is a variation that also exists in some genuine dials. It's also hard to spot with the naked eye.

Rehaut: I didn't notice any difference until I read about it in the forums. Yes, the genuine probably has slightly different polish. No, this is not something you notice without specifically looking for it. The engraving looks the same to me (again, to the naked eye).

Bezel and insert: The Cerachrom is so good! This was my main worry, that the replica would not have that special Rolex sheen. The bezel teeth look great but are too sharp to the touch. The click sound is okay, but if I remember correctly, my gen was more "springy". This is only noticeable if you handle the watch.

Movement (VS3130): The movement feels smooth but sounds different when winding. There is also too much resistance when you pull out the crown to wind or set the time. Maybe it just needs to break in? I won't go into the movement itself because it's a closed caseback. It ticks along nicely and the rotor is quiet enough. About +7 sec/day.

Bracelet & clasp: The weakest area of the watch and where you can immediately feel the difference to the gen Rolex. It looks great, but the bracelet is not as smooth and has some semi-sharp edges. The clasp does not feel as clicky-solid and the Glidelock is wonky. In the genuine, the Glidelock slides perfectly and is very easy to adjust.

TL;DR: This is a great replica and maybe even the closest to the original that has ever come out of a Chinese factory. Don't waste your time and money replacing the dial, crystal or other parts of the head. The main area for improvement is the bracelet and clasp.
 

makoberry

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If you want to upgrade the bracelet, get an ARF (AR Factory) Oyster bracelet and put it on. IMO night and day difference.
I talked to one of the TD:s and got a quote for 200 USD including shipping, which is a bit steep imho. Do you know a good source?

Fixed the links using 2000 grit sandpaper, jewelers rouge and and a good amount of elbow grease. Will start working on the Glidelock this weekend.
 

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I talked to one of the TD:s and got a quote for 200 USD including shipping, which is a bit steep imho. Do you know a good source?

Fixed the links using 2000 grit sandpaper, jewelers rouge and and a good amount of elbow grease. Will start working on the Glidelock this weekend.
Very interested to know how you tackle the glidelock 👀
 

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Mako, thanks for the comparison!

I believe every word is true as these recent reps are almost spot on.

Can you share photos of your Gen (obviously pics before you sold) with photos of your new VSF?
 

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I believe one of the big bones of contention when the 126610 came out was the thicker lugs. I am not seeing the difference when comparing with the 16610 what part of the lug is thicker?
 

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I talked to one of the TD:s and got a quote for 200 USD including shipping, which is a bit steep imho. Do you know a good source?

Fixed the links using 2000 grit sandpaper, jewelers rouge and and a good amount of elbow grease. Will start working on the Glidelock this weekend.
I got mine from Aliexpress. The original seller I bought it from is currently sold out, but other sellers are selling them. Here another one I found:

ARF Bracelet
 

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I believe one of the big bones of contention when the 126610 came out was the thicker lugs. I am not seeing the difference when comparing with the 16610 what part of the lug is thicker?
I think you may have your model numbers mixed up? or I dont understand the post?? 16610 is the older aluminium bezel sub, the 126610 has thiner lugs than the 116610 as the lug width is wider allowing for thinning of the lugs which is more like the older 16610, many including myself just didnt like the thicker lugs on the 116610 and was elated when they dumped that boxy looking sub for something that looks like.... well, mor Sub like! 😉
 

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I think you may have your model numbers mixed up? or I dont understand the post?? 16610 is the older aluminium bezel sub, the 126610 has thiner lugs than the 116610 as the lug width is wider allowing for thinning of the lugs which is more like the older 16610, many including myself just didnt like the thicker lugs on the 116610 and was elated when they dumped that boxy looking sub for something that looks like.... well, mor Sub like! 😉
Oh right, you are correct then if that's the case. I misread the numbers of the watch, odd, but explains why every 126610 I looked at has the same looking lugs as the 16610. 😂
 

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Very interested to know how you tackle the glidelock 👀

Regarding the VSF bracelet

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This issue is common with replicas: the bracelet links can be a bit sharp at the edges and need some "spa treatment." Although the VSF bracelet isn't particularly bad in this regard, the genuine links are smoother to the touch.

Fortunately, this is an easy fix. I recommend removing the bracelet and protecting the surfaces with thermal tape. Gently smooth the edges using 2000 grit sandpaper. Finish by polishing with a soft piece of leather and some jeweler's rouge. The process is simple and takes only about 30 minutes. Clean the bracelet thoroughly with soap and water, apply some baby oil, and polish it with a microfiber cloth.

Clasp

As I mentioned, the VSF clasp — the small piece of metal with the crown that folds over and locks on — doesn't have the same solid, clicky feel as the genuine one. Yes, it clicks, but not as nicely as it should. I really have no idea how to fix this, so I tried to break it in by repeatedly locking and unlocking it. Unfortunately I didn't notice much of an improvement, so I am out of ideas.

Glidelock

The problem is that the Glidelock doesn't glide as smoothly as it should; it latches depending on the angle you push at. After examining it, I realized that the issue seems to be excessive and inconsistent friction in the two channels where the bracelet link glides along the sidewalls.

After some Google searches, I found tips suggesting lubricating the sidewalls with Vaseline or silicone grease. I tried Vaseline but didn't notice much improvement. So, I researched further, and the only real solutions seemed to be disassembling the entire Glidelock, bending or reworking the metal, or replacing parts.

I don't have the time or tools for this, so I decided to try reducing the friction by polishing the surfaces. I applied some Autosol polishing paste inside the Glidelock and moved it back and forth for a good 5 minutes. After cleaning it, I noticed an improvement and repeated the process. Now, I'd say it's 80% there.

These simple tweaks made the bracelet much better, but I will probably look into sourcing an ARF bracelet. I'm not entirely convinced though that the ARF is that much better. :)
 

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If you want to upgrade the bracelet, get an ARF (AR Factory) Oyster bracelet and put it on. IMO night and day difference.

I honestly do not understand this: I had a couple CF (on latest no date, 2 years ago date, even purchased a standalone ARF bracelet) oyster bracelets and they all felt worse than my VSF 126610 oyster bracelet. Also, on the VSF clasp, the glidelock is so buttery smooth, while on the CF / ARF oyster ones it was a little janky. I would say the VSF I have is very comparable to Ginault bracelet, but VSF has the superior glidelock
 

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Also, on the VSF clasp, the glidelock is so buttery smooth, while on the CF / ARF oyster ones it was a little janky. I would say the VSF I have is very comparable to Ginault bracelet, but VSF has the superior glidelock
Agreed. My VSFs have very good glide lock. Especially the 126610 - it's glide lock, crown and tube and winding are all amazing. If I didn't have a gen to compare with, I probably wouldn't know it wasn't perfect.

One of my previous S19 VSF Subs wasn't as good with the glide lock.
 

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Rep bracelet is rep bracelet, I've had it all from Clean to VSF, and I can confidently say, "it depends on which Chinese worker is making your bracelet that day"

My Clean bracelet/ARF - great bracelet, meh glidelock
Clean 114060 - great bracelet and great glidelock
VSF 116x - ok bracelet, great glidelock
Second VSF 126x - great bracelet, bad glidelock
 

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I honestly do not understand this: I had a couple CF (on latest no date, 2 years ago date, even purchased a standalone ARF bracelet) oyster bracelets and they all felt worse than my VSF 126610 oyster bracelet. Also, on the VSF clasp, the glidelock is so buttery smooth, while on the CF / ARF oyster ones it was a little janky. I would say the VSF I have is very comparable to Ginault bracelet, but VSF has the superior glidelock
Maybe it was just my bad luck from the factory with my VSF subs. The bracelets felt sharp and rough and the glidelock was terrible on both.
 

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Maybe it was just my bad luck from the factory with my VSF subs. The bracelets felt sharp and rough and the glidelock was terrible on both.

It happened to me as a newbie. The factory put the wrong bracelet

Thankfully the TD caught it. Else I would have never known
 
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