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first super clone RM movement

adamtorres3

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Any solid 35-01 all black, or 35-02 all black, or 35-02 red strap black carbon case, or 35-03 blue strap white carbon case yet?
 

GiantSquid

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I still think that's a gen movement, maybe in an aftermarket case, maybe just some weird fucked-up fisheye lens editing, but every part of that looks RM-spec including the free spring balance and the clear pallet jewels. It could be an actual Vaucher seed cut up but the seeds come with red jeweling also and (I believe) a brass balance.
 

Prizon

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its from some of my Chinese modder sources. Apparently it is made using "Gen parts” and they charge 70k usd for it.

They also have a modified BBR movement that looks exactly like Gen, and much cheaper. I will find out some more information.

The clones are definitely out there boys
 

GiantSquid

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The "gen parts" thing is what gets me. Not even parting out a gen would net you a profit at this rate (there are only so many parts to be harvested), and RM does not sell parts, nor do they rely on anyone outside of their own companies (ProArt, NTPT, etc) for them so it just doesn't work out. Even at $70k per unit, with a gen trading for ~$350k, roughly 5 times more, it means you'd need to harvest enough parts for 5 watches to break even, or more to make a profit and that doesn't make sense to me economically. There's a LOT of money to be made from less-informed people if you obfuscate enough, and all these descriptions without hard evidence feel like obfuscation to me.
 

Prizon

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The "gen parts" thing is what gets me. Not even parting out a gen would net you a profit at this rate (there are only so many parts to be harvested), and RM does not sell parts, nor do they rely on anyone outside of their own companies (ProArt, NTPT, etc) for them so it just doesn't work out. Even at $70k per unit, with a gen trading for ~$350k, roughly 5 times more, it means you'd need to harvest enough parts for 5 watches to break even, or more to make a profit and that doesn't make sense to me economically. There's a LOT of money to be made from less-informed people if you obfuscate enough, and all these descriptions without hard evidence feel like obfuscation to me.

agreed but you would be surprised. They are indeed selling them, and they can because they dictate the market as the only ones making this 1:1 movement. People are paying.
 

Stuart Pitt

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The Vaucher movement costs around $1K?


A factory could take the guts out and create a skeleton structure to put them back into, sell for $2K, I'd buy one.
 

pam162

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The Vaucher movement costs around $1K?


A factory could take the guts out and create a skeleton structure to put them back into, sell for $2K, I'd buy one.
same...
 

pam162

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its from some of my Chinese modder sources. Apparently it is made using "Gen parts” and they charge 70k usd for it.

They also have a modified BBR movement that looks exactly like Gen, and much cheaper. I will find out some more information.

The clones are definitely out there boys
How much for the BBR modded, any pics?
 

Stuart Pitt

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I see rub marks at the attachment points in the second picture, could be disassembly of a genuine with serial number obscured.
Four and five were previously posted by Corvax 12/2/22.