First purchase from Andrew!

[bersekr]

Timegrapher isn't just blindly reading numbers. Look at the dots on screen and how inconsistent they are at generating a line. They're all over the place, looks like "snowfall", should be one clean trace line, which is why m5750 suggests a service.

Thanks for your feedback folks! Will get back to Andrew.

 

[bersekr]

@trustytime, Andrew sorry bro, I had really set my mind on every reason not to RL, but, like I said earlier, this is my first experience in the rep world.

Can’t help but to listen to my fellow reputable and more experienced members on this regard.

I know this is bad for you, and I wish I didn’t have to do it. Just sent you an email on this regard…

 

[bersekr]

@trustytime, Andrew sorry bro, I had really set my mind on every reason not to RL, but, like I said earlier, this is my first experience in the rep world.

Can’t help but to listen to my fellow reputable and more experienced members on this regard.

I know this is bad for you, and I wish I didn’t have to do it. Just sent you an email on this regard…

Andrew got back to me and said he would return the 126610LN to the factory.

@m5750 @Reaps thank you for taking the time to point that out.

I must confess it took me a while to understand you were actually talking about the GRAPH on the timegrapher screen.

Up until then I was completely blind to it, just looking at the numbers.

After all, a timegrapher should create… a graph (duh!). Alright, just learned something new (and rather obvious now that you pointed it out).

@m5750 you mentioned the 12s the timegrapher ran for. From what I can tell, most TDs run it for a short period.

I did some more research, and found that a good measure would be to run it for 2-3 minutes at least.

And for a valuable timegrapher test, with the watch in multiple positions.

However, since that’d be overkill for most TDs (if not all), should we really bother that much with how long it ran for?

Right now I’m thinking; just use TDs QC pics on timegrapher to check if the numbers are within GL range and look at the graph to see if it the dots make a consistent line. That’s it.

If you want a full test like described above, do it yourself once you get the watch.

Just a mindset check here. Is that it?

 

[m5750]

I did some more research, and found that a good measure would be to run it for 2-3 minutes at least.

For me, and what I've gathered from a watchmaker that I follow/take courses from, I typically like it to be within 4 second intervals, but also 6 full readings, in 6 positions. As this isn't realistic when buying a rep, at least one set of 6 readings in the dial up position should suffice.

You'd essentially like to see a full screen of readings. The first reading could be +/- 1 second per day, but the second could be 10 and so on.

The watch should be wound completely and allowed to rest for 1 minute if using a 1900 or 2 minutes or more using a 1000 before taking readings as well. I'm not suggesting to ask your TD to do this either, but explaining my method.

However, since that’d be overkill for most TDs (if not all), should we really bother that much with how long it ran for?

I'd ask to see a full screen of readings. It doesn't mean you'll RL it, but a lot can change in 60 seconds.

The top line, if separated should be rate and the bottom is beat error. If the beat error is 1.0 or less, you're good.

Even though your rate and beat error were good, the snowflakes aren't something I'd like to see. That typically indicates a problem.

And for a valuable timegrapher test, with the watch in multiple positions.

Valuable with a rep during QC with a TD? Probably not. The correct way if you were doing it yourself or a watchsmith? Yes.

 

[bersekr]

For me, and what I've gathered from a watchmaker that I follow/take courses from, I typically like it to be within 4 second intervals, but also 6 full readings, in 6 positions. As this isn't realistic when buying a rep, at least one set of 6 readings in the dial up position should suffice.

You'd essentially like to see a full screen of readings. The first reading could be +/- 1 second per day, but the second could be 10 and so on.

The watch should be wound completely and allowed to rest for 1 minute if using a 1900 or 2 minutes or more using a 1000 before taking readings as well. I'm not suggesting to ask your TD to do this either, but explaining my method.


I'd ask to see a full screen of readings. It doesn't mean you'll RL it, but a lot can change in 60 seconds.

The top line, if separated should be rate and the bottom is beat error. If the beat error is 1.0 or less, you're good.

Even though your rate and beat error were good, the snowflakes aren't something I'd like to see. That typically indicates a problem.

Valuable with a rep during QC with a TD? Probably not. The correct way if you were doing it yourself or a watchsmith? Yes.

Thank you for such valuable inputs!
Appreciate it!

 

[bersekr]

Just got new QC pics from Andrew and new readings on the timegrapher for both watches.

This time getting a full screen of readings on both.

I think it all looks fine now.

@m5750 would you mind having a look at it too?

 

[m5750]

Just got new QC pics from Andrew and new readings on the timegrapher for both watches.

This time getting a full screen of readings on both.

I think it all looks fine now.

@m5750 would you mind having a look at it too?

These look great. No snowflakes. Consistent reading. Good beat error. I'd be good with these!

 

[bersekr]

These look great. No snowflakes. Consistent reading. Good beat error. I'd be good with these!

Just got a reply from Andrew saying both are the same watches…

He said:

“Both are the same watches that were QC earlier

I've asked my guy to place it properly and tested them longer”

Does that make sense??

 

[m5750]

“Both are the same watches that were QC earlier

I've asked my guy to place it properly and tested them longer”

Ehhhh. I believe Andrew and have a ton of respect for him, but if the reading you initially showed us is the same watch, something drastically changed. I'm not sure a reading would go from "wild" to completely exceptional by itself unless the placement of the case on the mic stand affected it. The one we spoke of with "snowflakes" won't do that because of noise.

This isn't noise. You'd still have two lines with "noise" around it. Like a radio on or a fan, etc. If you notice here as well (original tg reading) there is one reading of +1 second. In your new reading, there are 6. With all respect to Andrew, if this is the same timepiece, I would be surprised unless the watch has an intermittent issue. These two readings are substantially different.

 

[bersekr]

Ehhhh. I believe Andrew and have a ton of respect for him, but if the reading you initially showed us is the same watch, something drastically changed. I'm not sure a reading would go from "wild" to completely exceptional by itself unless the placement of the case on the mic stand affected it. The one we spoke of with "snowflakes" won't do that because of noise.

This isn't noise. You'd still have two lines with "noise" around it. Like a radio on or a fan, etc. If you notice here as well (original tg reading) there is one reading of +1 second. In your new reading, there are 6. With all respect to Andrew, if this is the same timepiece, I would be surprised unless the watch has an intermittent issue. These two readings are substantially different.

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

He said he would return it to the factory.
5 days went by with no news then I sent a new email asking for updates…

The new readings came straight after.

And the only reason he said it was the same watch is because when he sent the new readings I asked where were the other pics since it was a new watch. To which he replied it isn’t.

So why say he would return it?
Then why take 5 days only to return with the same watch?

And why not tell me straight away instead of leading me into believing it was a new watch?

Honestly, at this point I think I don’t care anymore and I’ll just GL and get the watches.

It started as a great experience and it got shady at some point. All due respect to Andrew.

Thank you so much for all your inputs, brother!

 

[m5750]

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

He said he would return it to the factory.
5 days went by with no news then I sent a new email asking for updates…

The new readings came straight after.

And the only reason he said it was the same watch is because when he sent the new readings I asked where were the other pics since it was a new watch. To which he replied it isn’t.

So why say he would return it?
Then why take 5 days only to return with the same watch?

And why not tell me straight away instead of leading me into believing it was a new watch?

Honestly, at this point I think I don’t care anymore and I’ll just GL and get the watches.

It started as a great experience and it got shady at some point. All due respect to Andrew.

Thank you so much for all your inputs, brother!

There are so many moving parts here, that I'm thinking Andrew is relaying what he's hearing from his team. I don't know him well, but can say that he's well respected. I don't think anything from him would be done with ill intent.

I agree with you on the GL, get the watches and enjoy. If you're getting the ones in the latest photos, you'll be good.

It was really the originals not having a full 6 runs and all of the noise that got me. I don't typically engage in stuff like this, but for that one, I felt I should.

Let us know when you get them and post some pics!

 

[bersekr]

There are so many moving parts here, that I'm thinking Andrew is relaying what he's hearing from his team. I don't know him well, but can say that he's well respected. I don't think anything from him would be done with ill intent.

I agree with you on the GL, get the watches and enjoy. If you're getting the ones in the latest photos, you'll be good.

It was really the originals not having a full 6 runs and all of the noise that got me. I don't typically engage in stuff like this, but for that one, I felt I should.

Let us know when you get them and post some pics!

Will do brother. Once again, thank you!