First order with Andrew @TrustyTime + remarks

[portant]

Wow... I'm not gonna lie.... that response is crazy.... You have high expectations. Deadlines and ordering replicas never ever mix well.

I don't think any dealer here or quite frankly the replica game in general will satisfy you. Having used all manners of TD and non TD these things are normal, it's just the part of the game. Replicas are still illegal goods no matter how much we frame it, people go to jail for these things....

I suggest you get a refund and perhaps try to find a dealer local to your area to get stock faster, you'll pay a premium.

If you're such a hardcore darkweb/silk road navigator, then perhaps you should use those sites instead of RWI instead to buy your replicas. You know better than the forum and dealers so why bother yourself with RWI? Just get a refund and find some dealers yourself, noone is forcing you to be here quite frankly....

Long time members never ever care or fret about ordering and QC deadlines. It's always new members. Every member who has a substantial collection will have at least one or two stories about how they waited for a month or more for some watches. I recently Just waited 1.5 months for the 26240

Anyways I don't think I can help you anymore. I'm leaving this thread so whatever happens happens. Good luck.

Thank you and good luck, but I said my piece !

I wired the funds 23 days ago and nothing gets done or communicated to me, so much so that I am starting to feel treated like a second class citizen over here, being served old, expensive food that as already been digested. It is not a nice feeling. Maybe other people like it.

It is a poor experience in my book so far and it is neither pleasant or a trip that I would particularly recommend to a friend or close family.

 

[portant]

Why don´t you make a business out of your vast knowledge of ERP systems and start a consulting firm for helping the illegal watch factories in China straightening out their production processes to finally meet your expectations?
I bet they are just waiting for you to make a business proposal in that direction.

Why don't I ? Because I'm not flying to China or anywhere near China because I have low blood pressure. Plus I didn't say anything about these factories production process which I know nothing about, nor do I care. I said that their distribution process (or lack thereof) sucks balls, which is demonstrably true, according to my own experience and public data.

And anyway you wouldn't do it like that. Uber didn't start as a consulting firm for cabs companies, this is a goofy idea and a wrong approach.

What you would do is a two sided marketplace where users can post rep requests which TDs can then respond to and fulfil in a transparent, timely and efficient way, with a multi-signature stablecoin escrow, a 5 star rating system and something like the ParcelsApp API for the tracking part, if that even matters.

But what would I know, right ? As it stands, we're light years away from that, with the current trend in the rep game being WhatsApp accounts and antiquated XHTML 1.0 transitional markup websites with outdated coding practices.
With the global rep industry expected to reach $1.79 trillion by 2030, you'd think they'd have some spare change to hire some devs but noooo, god forbid we'd ditch XHTML 1.0.


What it looks like to me is that some people in the rep market (not targeting anyone specifically but I've seen some Reddit posts) are getting a way too comfy, just like Taxis before Uber came around.

I won't be the one doing the Uber thing because I have low blood pressure and I'm too busy waiting (23 days now!) for any sort of update on my paid, unshipped (and obviously not a priority) replica. But please by all means do it yourself and make yourself a millionaire. Any kid can code that with ChatGPT these days.

 

[bcwatcher]

You tell em bro! Bout time our illegal pursuits had total transparency and updated mainstream tech so that the masses can click and buy... hopefully the TDs can make some sweet Ad revenue while they're at it..
Imma say it again, you're getting screwed!!

 

[KIND2KITTEHS]

Have you not read any of the information available on this forum? The trusted dealers, like Trusty Time, are just middle men. Once you place an order they usually have to order and get the watch from the factory, who may or may not have it in stock.

It takes time and patience in the rep game. You are not buying a widget from Amazon. From your comments it does not sound like this is hobby for you.

OP is a big boy, and can advocate for themselves, so I won't do it. I can only say from observation of the conversation that *some* of what he's asking for isn't unreasonable.

I depend a lot in my business off of people meaning what they say, and communicating, even bad news. Bad news, but at least *news* is understandable for this "thing" we're engaged in--however, false info, or worse, no info is another.

Again, I make allowances for "this thing" we're engaged in, but I'm unsure how it's a bad thing to want at least updates, and news, good or bad. Example--a TD told me straight up that the Youth 2823 Subbies I want is out all around, and most likely won't be available until *maybe* mid-July. That's honesty, setting expectations, and communication.

The scummy way would be to take my money, telling me that QC is 3-5 days, and *then* telling me "sorry dude...*factory issues*, you know?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The bad way is to go radio silent

Yeah, a lot of these operations are one-person/few person gigs: but that's the thing: if you scale your business, either scale your workforce, or slow down taking orders. I like knowing that someone would rather refuse some business vs. grab all the coin, and sit on people's money--that will always come back on folks.

Maybe I'm naive, and I'm willing to be that way, but I'd rather decent communication, and a TD that controls for the things *they can control for* (order taking, accurate "inventory", proper staffing to meet workflow, realistic timeframes, and communication when timeframes will be blown/supplychain issues with the order/mistakes) than a "yes man/woman" who's quick to grab the money, yet make me out to be the villain for asking what's up. Luckily, I've gotten kind of slow communication that I've had to pull out of my TD/RS that I've dealt with, but they communicate (mostly driven by me), and they're cordial enough and helpful when we converse, and I'm willing to put up with it. As I said, this is an interesting game we're playing.

Once the package leaves your hands, it's up to the gods, and I don't fault the seller for slowness at that point. Nobody realistically blames folks for raids slowing things down. I do fault inauthentic communication, or no communication (after the money's exchanged), or no tracking, or a box that sits in your place for weeks after QC. That's not "the game"; that's poor planning.

 

[Reaps]

Just ask for a refund and try another dealer and leave the review up as a negative review for others to read. Those who read this post can evaluate for themselves about Andrew and your experience and expectations.

You're clearly not happy and think that QC can be delivered faster so back it with actions and try another dealer to test your theory.

If you do chose to refund - you will lose a little money on the fees.

Might I suggest trying a TD who will take a deposit so you feel better waiting for QC.

That's the last advice I'll give.

 

[DrgnAttck]

All I will say is hope your issue gets resolved. My experience with Andrew had always been superb. I just placed an order for a VSF No date sub and communication was fast and hopefully will be just like my previous transactions with Trusty. I always give them time to fulfill my orders. Having ordered some low quality reps as gifts from DHGate, I know it takes a month or more before your order gets delivered. I had one before that most probably got confiscated at the customs and luckily I was refunded. With Andrew, i always get my orders delivered on time as to my expectation which is a month give or take a week from when I paid for an order. That is my experience and just sharing. Good luck and hope you get this resolved.

 

[tripdog]

What you would do is a two sided marketplace where users can post rep requests which TDs can then respond to and fulfil in a transparent, timely and efficient way, with a multi-signature stablecoin escrow, a 5 star rating system and something like the ParcelsApp API for the tracking part

 

[portant]

You tell em bro! Bout time our illegal pursuits had total transparency and updated mainstream tech so that the masses can click and buy... hopefully the TDs can make some sweet Ad revenue while they're at it..
Imma say it again, you're getting screwed!!

Oh come on man, this isn't remotely as funny as you think it is. I'm only using darknet markets as the proper benchmark for how things can be done in an efficient way even when your threat level is extremely high. That's for one.

Then again, this is the rep industry. Your threat level is LOW at best. You're not discussing acquisition and transport of stolen goods, methamphetamine, anti-aircraft weaponry, snuff movies or anything like that, so there's no need for those high horses or for Darknet level privacy marketplaces because this isn't SilkRoad level shit. This is Reddit level shit.

And I'm not using that as a slur : r/FashionReps presents itself as the "The internets largest community of replica fashion enthusiasts since 2014" with 1.9 million members while Reddit lets them advertise external rep shopping services, and ON THEIR FRONTPAGE. It's ALREADY MAINSTREAM
I mean come on, they count their "hauls" in kilograms, take picture of them with their cats, have daily giveaways with thousands of participants, and it's all a big joke to them, so "it's normal that sucks because it's illegal" is just plain wrong here. It's a lack of care.



And back to what you said, let's be real here, you're already doing what I'm saying, which is discussing acquisition, transport, and openly doing business buying, selling and even advertising reps on a public, transparent forum on the internet (XenForo is mainstream, up to date tech btw thanks to the @admin) just like you would on Reddit and it's fine with me.

Yet, your .info domain hasn't been seized by the FBI, Cloudflare didn't kick you out, and generally speaking, Reddit and other social media don't even bother going after you, and in fact, they enable you and make money off of it.
I've seen countless political commentators being kicked out of services like Cloudflare, having their domains seized and being cancelled on every possible social media outlet imaginable, subreddit banned, people debanked, put on no fly lists, everything under the sun. This isn't a thing in the Rep industry, and I think that's okay.

My simple observation was that current state of affairs sucks balls, okay .

Now I'm not going to do anything about it besides complain, eat it and wait it out like a moron even though it's been 24 days now that my money is into the wild while I'm being treated like the ugly girl at the dance and expected to say thank you when I'm being served week old eggrolls because apparently "that's the way things are and you should be thankful that they even took your $500 at all".


That's the way things are when some people don't care.

 

[munichman]

I'm only using darknet markets as the proper benchmark for how things can be done

You're not discussing acquisition and transport of stolen goods, methamphetamine, anti-aircraft weaponry, snuff movies or anything like that,

I knew it, you are e REAL professional, with even broader knowledge of CRM systems and everything going along with it.
Why don´t you buy your reps from your darknet buddies, instead of getting all excited here, because everybody here is so unprofessional, not being able to meet your standards?
Must be a tough life being all smart like you are, when you constantly have to deal with a bunch of morons.

 

[portant]

OP is a big boy, and can advocate for themselves, so I won't do it. I can only say from observation of the conversation that *some* of what he's asking for isn't unreasonable.

I depend a lot in my business off of people meaning what they say, and communicating, even bad news. Bad news, but at least *news* is understandable for this "thing" we're engaged in--however, false info, or worse, no info is another.

Again, I make allowances for "this thing" we're engaged in, but I'm unsure how it's a bad thing to want at least updates, and news, good or bad. Example--a TD told me straight up that the Youth 2823 Subbies I want is out all around, and most likely won't be available until *maybe* mid-July. That's honesty, setting expectations, and communication.

The scummy way would be to take my money, telling me that QC is 3-5 days, and *then* telling me "sorry dude...*factory issues*, you know?" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. The bad way is to go radio silent

Yeah, a lot of these operations are one-person/few person gigs: but that's the thing: if you scale your business, either scale your workforce, or slow down taking orders. I like knowing that someone would rather refuse some business vs. grab all the coin, and sit on people's money--that will always come back on folks.

Maybe I'm naive, and I'm willing to be that way, but I'd rather decent communication, and a TD that controls for the things *they can control for* (order taking, accurate "inventory", proper staffing to meet workflow, realistic timeframes, and communication when timeframes will be blown/supplychain issues with the order/mistakes) than a "yes man/woman" who's quick to grab the money, yet make me out to be the villain for asking what's up. Luckily, I've gotten kind of slow communication that I've had to pull out of my TD/RS that I've dealt with, but they communicate (mostly driven by me), and they're cordial enough and helpful when we converse, and I'm willing to put up with it. As I said, this is an interesting game we're playing.

Once the package leaves your hands, it's up to the gods, and I don't fault the seller for slowness at that point. Nobody realistically blames folks for raids slowing things down. I do fault inauthentic communication, or no communication (after the money's exchanged), or no tracking, or a box that sits in your place for weeks after QC. That's not "the game"; that's poor planning.

Well, you phrased it more politely than I did while I was under the aggravation, now I don't even have that rant energy anymore because it's been 23 days and I have just accepted my fate and that he had no interest in keeping me up to date, even though he said 4-12 QC.

I wouldn't be ranting and raving about customs delays or even lost/stolen/seized packages because I've read his Terms of Sale and I agreed to them before sending him the $500.
I've also read his QC estimate and I agreed to it before sending him the $500, but apparently he didn't but that's on me because I have crazy expectations. F that.

 

[portant]

I knew it, you are e REAL professional, with even broader knowledge of CRM systems and everything going along with it.
Why don´t you buy your reps from your darknet buddies, instead of getting all excited here, because everybody here is so unprofessional, not being able to meet your standards?
Must be a tough life being all smart like you are, when you constantly have to deal with a bunch of morons.

It is actually tough, believe it or not.

And anyway you wouldn't conduct grey level business on black markets such as buying reps on the darknet, this is just plain stupid because sure you'd gain full privacy (for a mere fineable offense, whatever) but lose the benefit of being able to complain about your experience on clearweb forums, do chargebacks or anything like that, without losing said anonymity.

Darknet is just a privacy improvement. Sure, I've seen some reps being sold over there but that's definitely not where you'd go watch shopping or food shopping or whatever. Total overkill plus you'd pay much higher, on average.

That said, these marketplaces usually have a 3 weeks default escrow, so watches or not, you wouldn't be waiting 23 days for shipping after they took your money, and if you did so, I can tell you that the seller would apologize profusely or make some sort of commercial gesture because otherwise they'd get a poor review from the buyer, and possibly a strike from the marketplace for disruptive behaviour.

 

[portant]

As much as you want to think you can do better, that the game can be improved, you are welcome to try. If you think you can do better, then, really, noone is stopping you from implementing these systems, and making a pretty penny off of it. Talk to some of the dealers with your business plan. Fly to Guangzhou and see how "easy" it is to find these high tier replicas. In fact, most dealers will tell you that the public side of the Guangzhou Watch Market and such doesn't deal with high end replicas, they're all behind closed doors now. I know some Chinese people who literally use our RWI TDs to buy because they're not as easily accessible as you think in China.

You are comparing fashionreps/clothes, which, no offense, is not that high on the radar for authorities to crack down upon. Watches are pursued much more heavily and controlled much more strictly. And the value of fake/real watches and the nature of them make it pursued much more aggressively.

In fact right now I'm waiting over 1.5 months for parts to be sourced to build one of my custom replicas.

I have another order pending waiting 1 month.

The last watch I got delivered I waited about 25 days.

It's your first replica but you already know the game so well, so why bother with RWI? Like I said....

You can try 1688 or Taobao instead, you don't need to use our "outdated" systems of dealers... just come to RWi for the info and then use whatever fashionrep source or whoever you have on the ground in Guangzhou instead.

In fact, I'll ask around to see if 3KF is still operating or delivered stock recently. They were notorious 6 months ago for being shoddy at delivering their watches.

I've used so many different dealers... from non TD, to TDs, to 1688, to Taobao, to local Chinese dealers, and not a single one of them will offer any kind of service like you requested. And pretty much all of them will have similar response to this kind of behavior.... they will laugh at you.

You have valid complaints about sourcing but you didn't read any of the guides. Maybe some TDs will overpromise on deadlines. But if you read the reviews, you will always get what you paid for. We always say patience is king. If you have deadlines, you should not be in replicas. No dealer across any platform will promise hard deadlines in the rep game, unless they have the watch "IN HAND".

Actually I bought my first rep on defunct ReplicaWatchCity.com (webarchive) back in 2009 which came inside a 1990's era plastic toy violon, which I found hilarious. And I don't have any issue with RWI, I hope I made that clear.
In fact, I would rather do business on the forum directly, had it been an option.

And indeed, my comparison with the fashion rep industry was idiotic, but I'm seeing the exact same thing for rep watches on Reddit, with thousand participants giveaways, TD advertisements and so on. Frankly, I'm the first one to be surprised about that.



All I ever asked for was basic customer care, which is to say, if you announce 4-12 days and it blows up to a month, then maybe just maybe keep me up to date. As far as technical and supply chain improvements, you're right, I don't know what's the word on Guangzhou's dark alleys these days, but that's just for discussions' sake and for me to try and understand why things are the way they are.

Things like :

"most dealers will tell you that the public side of the Guangzhou Watch Market and such doesn't deal with high end replicas, they're all behind closed doors now. I know some Chinese people who literally use our RWI TDs to buy because they're not as easily accessible as you think in China."

are interesting to me because it makes sense and there's only so much info available online.
Things like "COPE AND SEETHE BRO IT'S THE GAME" are not so interesting to me.

 

[Reaps]

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[bcwatcher]

Oh come on man, this isn't remotely as funny as you think it is. I'm only using darknet markets as the proper benchmark for how things can be done in an efficient way even when your threat level is extremely high. That's for one.

Then again, this is the rep industry. Your threat level is LOW at best. You're not discussing acquisition and transport of stolen goods, methamphetamine, anti-aircraft weaponry, snuff movies or anything like that, so there's no need for those high horses or for Darknet level privacy marketplaces because this isn't SilkRoad level shit. This is Reddit level shit.

And I'm not using that as a slur : r/FashionReps presents itself as the "The internets largest community of replica fashion enthusiasts since 2014" with 1.9 million members while Reddit lets them advertise external rep shopping services, and ON THEIR FRONTPAGE. It's ALREADY MAINSTREAM
I mean come on, they count their "hauls" in kilograms, take picture of them with their cats, have daily giveaways with thousands of participants, and it's all a big joke to them, so "it's normal that sucks because it's illegal" is just plain wrong here. It's a lack of care.



And back to what you said, let's be real here, you're already doing what I'm saying, which is discussing acquisition, transport, and openly doing business buying, selling and even advertising reps on a public, transparent forum on the internet (XenForo is mainstream, up to date tech btw thanks to the @admin) just like you would on Reddit and it's fine with me.

Yet, your .info domain hasn't been seized by the FBI, Cloudflare didn't kick you out, and generally speaking, Reddit and other social media don't even bother going after you, and in fact, they enable you and make money off of it.
I've seen countless political commentators being kicked out of services like Cloudflare, having their domains seized and being cancelled on every possible social media outlet imaginable, subreddit banned, people debanked, put on no fly lists, everything under the sun. This isn't a thing in the Rep industry, and I think that's okay.

My simple observation was that current state of affairs sucks balls, okay .

Now I'm not going to do anything about it besides complain, eat it and wait it out like a moron even though it's been 24 days now that my money is into the wild while I'm being treated like the ugly girl at the dance and expected to say thank you when I'm being served week old eggrolls because apparently "that's the way things are and you should be thankful that they even took your $500 at all".


That's the way things are when some people don't care.

Well I try to find humor in things as frequently as I can...THAT aside...I will agree with you that communication practices from all TDs could be improved.