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Well, if the verdict is that it is a rep then I would like to know where he got a gen swan neck and why/how he put it on a rep movement. I'm sorry, but that swan neck is not reshaped. The noob swan neck doesn't have enough material to look like that and it significantly lacks material right here:
Even if he used an H maker swan neck, which does have enough material where the screws are, the "golf club" part of the H Maker is no where close to the gen look of this one in question, and it can't be reshaped to look like it. Your own guide shows this, ale.
Lastly, if this is a rep then this guy has to be a master at "black polishing" (a skill that only trained watchmakers can perfect). The finish on the surface of the swan neck and the dagger on a rep movement looks like ass from 3 feet away (I'm looking at my noob 111 right now). The guy's pics might not be all that hot, but I can still see that there is no waviness on the surfaces and that they are beyond mirror polished.
Even if he used an H maker swan neck, which does have enough material where the screws are, the "golf club" part of the H Maker is no where close to the gen look of this one in question, and it can't be reshaped to look like it. Your own guide shows this, ale.
Lastly, if this is a rep then this guy has to be a master at "black polishing" (a skill that only trained watchmakers can perfect). The finish on the surface of the swan neck and the dagger on a rep movement looks like ass from 3 feet away (I'm looking at my noob 111 right now). The guy's pics might not be all that hot, but I can still see that there is no waviness on the surfaces and that they are beyond mirror polished.
Hughesj, you're making very good points, and you could be right, but in all honesty I think it's impossible to have a definitive verdict based on those pics alone.
In any case I don't think this guy got any harm from the "possible rep" notification to risti since, if I'm not mistaken, the sales thread seems to be from 2010
In any case I don't think this guy got any harm from the "possible rep" notification to risti since, if I'm not mistaken, the sales thread seems to be from 2010
WOW, People should pay this forum to authenticate watches before they buy, I would bet the collective knowledge and genuine consideration of people on this forum would shame most Genuine dealers and 99.9% of there well funded but ignorant clientele. I only joined in April but I have learned so very much and am proud to be associated with this group.
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As above said we can decide nothing definitively because definition of pics are not good enough
Maybe is a reshaped old H maker swan neck spring (because new Hmaker are fitted with SN spring Noob type)
The main key is the distance between the curved shape on the tip of the support and the first fixation screw, marked in red in below comparison pic. Rep distance is smaller due to the reshaped.
Another weird thing is the distance between OFFICINE PANERAI inscription and the near jewel, in the unknown watch is bigger than in gen, just like some reps.
Just my opinion seeing available pics
ALE
Maybe is a reshaped old H maker swan neck spring (because new Hmaker are fitted with SN spring Noob type)
The main key is the distance between the curved shape on the tip of the support and the first fixation screw, marked in red in below comparison pic. Rep distance is smaller due to the reshaped.
Another weird thing is the distance between OFFICINE PANERAI inscription and the near jewel, in the unknown watch is bigger than in gen, just like some reps.
Just my opinion seeing available pics
ALE
yep, also the holes for the jewels, on the bridges, are polished, like gen... it's a gen guys
The old H-maker swan neck is very rough, bad quality. It need to be polished and chromed again, it's brass... imho it's a gen
As above said we can decide nothing definitively because definition of pics are not good enough
Maybe is a reshaped old H maker swan neck spring (because new Hmaker are fitted with SN spring Noob type)
The main key is the distance between the curved shape on the tip of the support and the first fixation screw, marked in red in below comparison pic. Rep distance is smaller due to the reshaped.
Another weird thing is the distance between OFFICINE PANERAI inscription and the near jewel, in the unknown watch is bigger than in gen, just like some reps.
Just my opinion seeing available pics
ALE
Right, i know. the old h-maker swan neck has a more accurate base. i have one at home that i plan on putting on my 111 once i can get the brushed surface of it polished. I was saying that the noob one is inaccurate right there. What i was mainly trying to say is that this part circled here (i called it the "golf club") is not shape-able to look like the gen, based on your guide.
One final point that i will make is this: look at the beveled edge around the center jewel (or any beveled edge on the movement for that matter). it shines like crazy. the rep doesn't look like that. here a shot of my noob movement in similar lighting.
I've seen sandpaper shine brighter than that. Polishing those areas would require a swiss trained watchsmith, an it doesn't sound like this guy is that complicated, especially since this was posted in 2010.
Also, i'm not that well versed on font spacing on the bridge plates, but the ones on my rep movement look pretty damn close to the jewel.
Lastly, the pictures are fine. you don't need a microscope/macro lense to spot tells even on a modded movement.
Nothing personal guys, just stating my case.
One final point that i will make is this: look at the beveled edge around the center jewel (or any beveled edge on the movement for that matter). it shines like crazy. the rep doesn't look like that. here a shot of my noob movement in similar lighting.
I've seen sandpaper shine brighter than that. Polishing those areas would require a swiss trained watchsmith, an it doesn't sound like this guy is that complicated, especially since this was posted in 2010.
Also, i'm not that well versed on font spacing on the bridge plates, but the ones on my rep movement look pretty damn close to the jewel.
Lastly, the pictures are fine. you don't need a microscope/macro lense to spot tells even on a modded movement.
Nothing personal guys, just stating my case.
Interesting and impressive! It's not even anywhere close to HD yet you guys manage to squeeze so much info from it!
Is it possible to get the original owner to clarify and to shed some light? If the movement is so gen like but the spacing of fonts are wrong, could it possibly be a rep case cover but with gen movement ? Lol.
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Is it possible to get the original owner to clarify and to shed some light? If the movement is so gen like but the spacing of fonts are wrong, could it possibly be a rep case cover but with gen movement ? Lol.
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Everything in his ad is gen, the paperwork, the box and the watch are gen.
The linked sales ad is over 4 years old and someone posted advising to be cautious 2 days ago... duh
The linked sales ad is over 4 years old and someone posted advising to be cautious 2 days ago... duh
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More interesting data
CROWN LOGO and cushion shape corners
CROWN LOGO AND CUSHION SHAPE CORNERS OF THE WATCH IN STUDY
CROWN LOGO AND CUSHION SHAPE CORNERS OF THE GEN WATCH
Crown LOGO are completely different and cushion shape corners are more squared in the watch in study
And I repeat I have never seen a gen with the OFFICINE PANERAI movement inscription so far from the near jewel
ALE
CROWN LOGO and cushion shape corners
CROWN LOGO AND CUSHION SHAPE CORNERS OF THE WATCH IN STUDY
CROWN LOGO AND CUSHION SHAPE CORNERS OF THE GEN WATCH
Crown LOGO are completely different and cushion shape corners are more squared in the watch in study
And I repeat I have never seen a gen with the OFFICINE PANERAI movement inscription so far from the near jewel
ALE
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OEM Movement with far spacing:
Also, we would need to know for sure that we are comparing it to another gen H series 183. we've already confirmed that caseback and case corner engravings changed overtime, and the case could have too. if this was a 000G in question, I could just post a picture of a 000N and call it a rep. In that case we would need pictures of a 000G to be sure.
Also, we would need to know for sure that we are comparing it to another gen H series 183. we've already confirmed that caseback and case corner engravings changed overtime, and the case could have too. if this was a 000G in question, I could just post a picture of a 000N and call it a rep. In that case we would need pictures of a 000G to be sure.
Or we could ask the guy with whom it all began.... (just kidding) ;-)
Nice work from all the experts here!
Kind regards,
Ozon1969
Nice work from all the experts here!
Kind regards,
Ozon1969