Factory identification: New to Rolex reps

[Slanglican]

I have always bought Breitling reps/gen..
I am as ignorant as it comes with regard to Rolex and Daytona!

I had a Sugess top chronometer modern Daytona homage. It was automatic and I loved it. Loved how the Daytona wears and just everything about it… the seconds at 6, the size… yeah…

Point is… I broke down and bought a blue dial rep…

I was told it was OMF, but I couldn’t find this model ANYWHERE on any TD site. The closest I saw was a black bezeled one without stainless steel bracelet.

But, I did find on pure time a VRF that was the exact same price JTime charged and seems to be similar..

I was wondering if anyone of you Rolex experts can identify if this is indeed an OMF or is it a VRF and what is the model number and it’s relative accuracy to gen..
Is this one supposed to be repping the white gold or stainless steel version??
[to be honest, I’m not really worried about having some super crazy accurate rep.. so my feelings won’t be hurt if I got a super shitty one, unless the movement sucks then I’ll be upset]

thanks in advance for your time!

 

[Slanglican]

 

[p0pperini]

I’m assuming these are your QC pics? If so, why didn’t you ask Li all these questions?

It’s a 116509 and yes the gen is white gold. No idea what factory - but as I say, why don’t you ask Li?

 

[Slanglican]

….I did! A couple different times in a couple different ways. The answers were few and far between and unsatisfactory so I didn’t wanna keep bothering about it.. if I had wanted to ask Li again, I would have instead of posting this thread…
Does that answer your question?

he straight up said it was OMF and so it probably is.. just made me curious as I couldn’t find this particular watch on any of the sites I looked at… but I did see the vrf..
as I couldn’t find the OMF I didn’t know what model it was and Li didn’t answer my question directly when I asked. He just said, “yeah it’s that one” to the vrf picture from pure time, which clarified very little as to me the 116520 and 509 look like the same watch to me..

At least with breitling some td’s would say/list a watch as being ANF and others may say/list it as b50 or say it’s OXF and you have to dig a bit further and ask the community what is the consensus..

again, I was up front about my ignorance here..

 

[Slanglican]

p0pperini that was way too long winded..

 

[KJ2020]

Model number is 116509

These have been made by many factories including OMF.

Here is one like it from BP but BP blue Rolex dials are generally not great. Yours looks like an OMF, the dial is nice. If Li says it is I would believe him, he is seldom wrong. This dial, case and bezel combo exists in gen.

http://www.trb88.club/index.php?rout...Daytona&page=2

Trusty lists one with a ceramic bezel (Noob made both versions)

https://trustytimewatch.io/index.php...ort=20a&page=3

Assuming yours is an OMF, yours would share every characteristic of the one listed on Trusty except the ceramic bezel, and the bracelet and clasp. This model never existed in gen and doesn't look good at all IMO.

All OMF and other older factory models with A7750s have modified movements to move the running seconds to 6 o'clock and are much thicker than gens. Like 15mm vs 12.5mm

Lately there is a new slim A7750 that gets thickness to about 13mm while retaining full chrono functionality, albeit not advisable to use, same as always. There are a LOT of new fake Noob, EWF, etc. Daytonas available now with the new slim A7750s but AFAIK OMF does not offer one. So yours is likely a fat boy that can can only look as much like a gen as a fat boy can.

I don't let this bother me, I still have several fat boys including an old Noob model just like the one you picked. I wear it right alongside my several slim Noob Daytonas without regret. It's a beautiful rep IMO. Noob never made this blue dial right in the SA4130 version, the subdials don't have individual sunbursts.

 

[Slanglican]

KJ2020 preciate that man.. yeah you pretty much just answered all the things that were lingering in my head..
yeah that sugess top chronometer homage had the slimmer movement it was barely 13 inches thick…
I couldn’t find any blue dials that were 13..
I can’t remember whether the vrf said 13 or not… I think it did and maybe that why I got excited a bit hoping that it was 13 and not 15… but compared to a good portion of my breitlings 15 will prolly feel slim, ha! Heck I think my gen speedmaster racing 40 is right at 15mm thick..

 

[p0pperini]

p0pperini that was way too long winded..

No, fair enough... My question did seem a bit stupid. But what I was getting at was, if Li had already told you it's an OMF, why wouldn't you take him at his word? After all, he's the TD selling it. Showing him a pic of another model and expecting him to tell the difference... well these guys deal with hundreds of different watches a day, so while you can expect them to source the watch you ask for, you can't always expect them to be able to differentiate between various factory versions based on pics we show them. And I can see why that would cause you further confusion!

Anyway, I'm glad KJ came through as he can always be relied on to, and explained all the differences in detail. Basically if I ever want to find out anything about Rolex reps, I do a search for his posts on the subject...

 

[KJ2020]

PT is wrong about the VRF being 13.5mm thick. You can see it next to one of the new slim EWFs. VRF is not using the new slim movement that I know of.

 

[KJ2020]

I see PT is now listing a new JF with a fake chrono so it has to be thin.

https://puretimewatch.io/jf-ss-daytona-116509-blue-dial-a3836-fake-chrono.html

JF used to make a DG2813 Daytona like this with 3 and 9 subdial hands that advanced one increment per pusher press. You could manually set the month and day that way.

This new JF on PT has a different movement and the blue dial doesn't look as good as the old one. That dial was superb. One sold not long ago M2M, I almost bought it even though I have the Noob. It's that good

 

[Slanglican]

No, fair enough... My question did seem a bit stupid. But what I was getting at was, if Li had already told you it's an OMF, why wouldn't you take him at his word? After all, he's the TD selling it. Showing him a pic of another model and expecting him to tell the difference... well these guys deal with hundreds of different watches a day, so while you can expect them to source the watch you ask for, you can't always expect them to be able to differentiate between various factory versions based on pics we show them. And I can see why that would cause you further confusion!

Anyway, I'm glad KJ came through as he can always be relied on to, and explained all the differences in detail. Basically if I ever want to find out anything about Rolex reps, I do a search for his posts on the subject...

Ha yeah, you’re spot on. that’s why I felt stupid asking him.. it was almost like I was too ignorant of things to properly ask him or get across a sensible question, which is probably why his answers didn’t make sense to me bc my questions made no sense…

so I figured I’d puke up some words on here and hope someone could get a glimpse of what I was trying to get at..

 

[Slanglican]

And many more run on sentences.

 

[p0pperini]

Ha yeah, you’re spot on. that’s why I felt stupid asking him.. it was almost like I was too ignorant of things to properly ask him or get across a sensible question, which is probably why his answers didn’t make sense to me bc my questions made no sense…

so I figured I’d puke up some words on here and hope someone could get a glimpse of what I was trying to get at..

And I could have been more helpful in my original reply.

There's never any harm in asking. Well, unless it's "Who makes the best Sub?"

 

[Slanglican]

I see PT is now listing a new JF with a fake chrono so it has to be thin.

https://puretimewatch.io/jf-ss-daytona-116509-blue-dial-a3836-fake-chrono.html

JF used to make a DG2813 Daytona like this with 3 and 9 subdial hands that advanced one increment per pusher press. You could manually set the month and day that way.

This new JF on PT has a different movement and the blue dial doesn't look as good as the old one. That dial was superb. One sold not long ago M2M, I almost bought it even though I have the Noob. It's that good

I definitely asked around for that older JF and the older noob.

my order was
noob
jF
bp
omf (bc all I could find was the ceramic bezel)

no one said the JF was in stock no one said the noon of course. And only two said the OMF and BP were available so when JTime said they made it with steel bezel, I said let’s roll (but I just couldn’t find it anywhere.. all I could find close to it was the vrf or BP..

putetime also had a TWF 116520 but the case back didn’t have those markings in the 4 corners like a lot of the others..

 

[KJ2020]

Do you have a pic or screen grab of your clasp code?

OMF - T1G
VRF - FU3

 

[Slanglican]

Do you have a pic or screen grab of your clasp code?

OMF - T1G
VRF - FU3

My ignorance is really about to show up here…
where would I find the clasp code?

 

[Slanglican]

PT is wrong about the VRF being 13.5mm thick. You can see it next to one of the new slim EWFs. VRF is not using the new slim movement that I know of.

Yeah, good call there.. def. 15mm…
I feel like this is how I was with navitimer reps. Ha!

 

[KJ2020]

My ignorance is really about to show up here…
where would I find the clasp code?

No worries bro

 

[Slanglican]

Do you have a pic or screen grab of your clasp code?

OMF - T1G
VRF - FU3

Does this help?

 

[Slanglican]

KJ2020 Bingo
Not sure what it means or implies/entails though.. ha!