Explain this: Gen Panerai Old Mvmnt Flared Balance Wheel?

[brtelec]

Well, it is the new year... last night was.... interesting... woke up and found two midgets in my bed. :shock:[/quote]

I am afraid to ask! :shock:

 

[BOSS]

So, who was the other midget ??? :lol:

 

[hooligan]

Well, it is the new year... last night was.... interesting... woke up and found two midgets in my bed. :shock:

I *told* you not to invite SeanK to your party! :lol:

 

[cybee]

[that point is that the majority of the people out there yell.. "flared balance wheel.. this means it's asian" and I have always felt that this is total bullshit. I also feel it is bullshit for someone to assign a "swiss" or "asian" title basede on Novodiac or Incabloc.

I agree with you daytona...mucho BS'ing going on. Some think they know, some wanna know, and some don't know. Check out these two brand new SWISS 2824 movements, one has a flared balance wheel with incabloc, and the other a straight balance with the novodiac system. And the Asians can copy any of it they want and fool us cause none of us really know the difference now do we?

http://www.ofrei.com/page893.html#7903

Incidentally they call the flared balance a 'chronometer grade" balance wheel LOL.

here's to much more confusion and BS'ing 2008...

 

[babola]

D4M,
flared spoke balance wheel on gen 6497-2 mov't is a product of Soprod, not ETA. Standard Swiss ETA 6497 mov'ts and ebauches come with straight spoke balance wheel that gets replaced @ Soprod with their own made flared wheel. It's the product of Soprod, and is just one of the numerous modifications they do to a basic ETA 6497-2 mov't before they send it back to Panerai for final installation inside the watch.

Why flared wheel...who knows, Panarai possibly thought the straight one is missing...well, some flare! LOL! :lol:

Asians simply copy this flared wheel themselves, as the Asian mov't is built completely from Asian manufactured parts. They DON'T however replace the standard straight spoke wheel on Swiss ETA 6497-1 mov'ts, it's probably due to economic reasons, and the fact it involves much more work on a mov't by mov't basis.

cheers,
babola

 

[hooligan]

I agree with you daytona...mucho BS'ing going on. Some think they know, some wanna know, and some don't know. Check out these two brand new SWISS 2824 movements, one has a flared balance wheel with incabloc, and the other a straight balance with the novodiac system. And the Asians can copy any of it they want and fool us cause none of us really know the difference now do we?

http://www.ofrei.com/page893.html#7903

Incidentally they call the flared balance a 'chronometer grade" balance wheel LOL.

here's to much more confusion and BS'ing 2008...

Oh, dear Lord, cybee. Let's not muddy the waters any further by bringing other models of movements into the discussion. :wink:

I have never seen any Swiss rep 6497s with flared spokes on the balance wheel, nor the Incabloc shock protection system on the swan neck. I don't claim to have seen EVERY 6497 that's ever been used in a rep, though. :shock:

 

[babola]

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I have never seen any Swiss rep 6497s with flared spokes on the balance wheel, nor the Incabloc shock protection system on the swan neck.

Spot on, brother :wink:

@cybee...mate, let's keep those "other ones" for another discussion. There's enough confusion around 6497 mov'ts already, so lets stick to them this time here

cheers,
babola

 

[cybee]

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I have never seen any Swiss rep 6497s with flared spokes on the balance wheel, nor the Incabloc shock protection system on the swan neck.

Spot on, brother :wink:

@cybee...mate, let's keep those "other ones" for another discussion. There's enough confusion around 6497 mov'ts already, so lets stick to them this time here

hee hee :twisted:

 

[jb]

i just found another cheap asian movement with flared balance wheel....chinese made !

You are kidding, right?

 

[babola]

i just found another cheap asian movement with flared balance wheel....chinese made !

You are kidding, right?

Of course he is, or he just doesn't know... :wink:

 

[jb]

I see this getting ugly...again! :lol:

 

[daytona4me]

D4M,
flared spoke balance wheel on gen 6497-2 mov't is a product of Soprod, not ETA. Standard Swiss ETA 6497 mov'ts and ebauches come with straight spoke balance wheel that gets replaced @ Soprod with their own made flared wheel. It's the product of Soprod, and is just one of the numerous modifications they do to a basic ETA 6497-2 mov't before they send it back to Panerai for final installation inside the watch.

Why flared wheel...who knows, Panarai possibly thought the straight one is missing...well, some flare! LOL! :lol:

Asians simply copy this flared wheel themselves, as the Asian mov't is built completely from Asian manufactured parts. They DON'T however replace the standard straight spoke wheel on Swiss ETA 6497-1 mov'ts, it's probably due to economic reasons, and the fact it involves much more work on a mov't by mov't basis.

cheers,
babola

Helpful information here, babola and hooligan...

But I must side with Cybee on everything. Cybee for President!

If I side with cybee, this conversation continues... lol :lol:

Where is Tootall on this.. I'm surprised he has not blown up the thread yet. LOL

 

[hooligan]

...Where is Tootall on this.. I'm surprised he has not blown up the thread yet. LOL

I was thinking the exact same thing! :lol: :lol: 8)

 

[babola]

I'm running for cover already... :shock:

Oh, what a heck, it's a silly season so why not have some fun, eh!

Bring it on bruthas ! :twisted:



babola "the mad and furious" LOL!

 

[cybee]

Babola, Hooligan, and H_U you guys are really the 6497 experts but now that I have D4me's endorsement for President, well you know...these are the types of threads that have made the Dark Side world famous

 

[horologie_unitas]

ok, just to get this straight, i am german....i am sarcastic....of course is the close up pic i posted a gen PANERAI...just look at that fat dagger !!
.and babola - you got it 100% right. Soprod changes the BW - why the hell dont they use one with weight screws on it ( like Tourby sells )
- i heared the flared Balance Wheel runs more smooth and precise, because of more mass ( weight ) on the end of the spoke.
actually the chinese counterfeit manufacturers made very precise scientifical researches with incredible efforts - before they decided
to copy the flared wheel ( sorry, being sarcastic again ! )

 

[babola]

Babola, Hooligan, and H_U you guys are really the 6497 experts but now that I have D4me's endorsement for President, well you know...these are the types of threads that have made the Dark Side world famous

...but you know what people think of their presidents, don't you? :lol:

 

[Hambone]

[quote="Well, it is the new year... last night was.... interesting... woke up and found two midgets in my bed. :shock:[/quote]

Well I hope that you tossed those midgets as far as possible!!

 

[brtelec]

[quote="Well, it is the new year... last night was.... interesting... woke up and found two midgets in my bed. :shock:

Well I hope that you tossed those midgets as far as possible!![/quote]

All right that's enough with the midget jokes. Midgets are people too, of course they are freakishly small and oddly proportioned people, but people nonetheless. :twisted: Oh yeah, and fun to toss!