ETA or Sellita?

[ZoomBoy]

Thinking of upgrading my 3 hand Asian movements all to Swiss in my keepers. The question is should I buy ETA or Sellita versions of the Asian clones?

I just want direct drop in support. Obviously I'll have a watch smith do this for me, but want minimal problems.

I'm also reading there's slight differences between the two Swiss movements. I'm guessing the ETA movements areare coarse to our clones? Any help appreciated.

 

[late]

Sellita is a Swiss company that produces "clones" of the ETA 2XXX movements. Should be more readily available than ETA versions. Unfortunately, as i understand it--and could be wrong, the Asian versions (Sea-Gull etc.) use a different pinion size so you may need to get new hands in order to do a swap.

 

[R2L]

ETA is "doing a Rolex" and is planning to only sell spare parts and movements to its authorized repair/service centers. This will mean that in the future you may have difficulties finding gen Swiss parts for your ETAs when the time comes to service them.
Sellita makes clones of ETA movements but of a significantly higher quality than those we get in our Asian reps. Their movements are supposed to be slide-in replacements for ETAs and Valjouxs, unless the original movement has a sec@6, sec@12, or GMT mod done to it.
I personally have not done an ETA-Sellita or Sellita-ETA swap to any of my watches, so my advice is not based on my own experience, however, my watch repair guy has assured me that the switch between the two will be "easy to do!"
Caveat emptor! And best of luck!


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[txrob779]

*as mentioned several times*


Sellita's are dead ass clone of the ETA's. I read that 51% of the parts are Made In Switzerland and they are assembled there making them "Swiss Made". Go figure

 

[Mendota]

Where is a good source to get these and is there any kind of reference chart that shows a Sellita xyz replaces the ETA 28xx?

How are the prices of a Selita compared to the Asian clone of the ETA?

 

[Raddave]

*as mentioned several times*


Sellita's are dead ass clone of the ETA's. I read that 51% of the parts are Made In Switzerland and they are assembled there making them "Swiss Made". Go figure

+1

In actuallity itll come down to 2 things....cost and resale value....

If youre going for lower cost (but not by much right now) go for the Sellita
The NEW eta will demand a higher resale value, but thats only because of our predjudice for the movement.

My new Sellita which is a std grade keeps +2 seconds a day the same as my Chronometer grade ETA.
Ive got a std grade ETA which keeps +/- 7 sec a day (my sloppiest movement)....
My best ETA is a std grade which runs +/- 2 sec a WEEK



Your mileage might vary of course

The Sellita has 100% the functionallity of the ETA

 

[ZoomBoy]

Tha ks guys. Basically the movements I'm looking at are ose in price so it's a non issue. I just want ease of swap and parts availability in the future. Stuff like hand sizes and pinions not fitting scare me. Hopefully my watchsmith can work around this if it's an issue.

 

[Raddave]

Thats a good point tho

What exactly are you swapping 2824s in a rolex will require H4 pinions, not for the hand size but for the hand height
2836s will be good as is
all rolexes will require the DWO swapped

 

[ZoomBoy]

Thanks for the tips so far.

 

[Xman]

I don't post much but feel i must share this. Every gen I've had to date that housed a sellita has suffered a mechanical failure in just months of use, 3 watches to date, all gen, one a gift to my father... That I had to take back. I will never ever own or support any watch that uses a sellita, personally they are garbage.
when you can get ETA, get ETA

 

[ZoomBoy]

I don't post much but feel i must share this. Every gen I've had to date that housed a sellita has suffered a mechanical failure in just months of use, 3 watches to date, all gen, one a gift to my father... That I had to take back. I will never ever own or support any watch that uses a sellita, personally they are garbage.
when you can get ETA, get ETA

Only problem is servicing these in the future. What's parts availability like.. ya know. My only conern.

 

[mydnytrydr]

Both are pretty much "bullet proof" .... power reserve is a bit longer on a Sellita .. go figure!

 

[Xman]

Only problem is servicing these in the future. What's parts availability like.. ya know. My only conern.

They will be serviceable long after we leave the hobby, they rarely need parts, and even if the supply dried up today, the millions upon millions of eta's out in the world today virtually eliminate any chance of ever not finding at least a used part.
Just my thoughts

 

[KBH]

As I've mentioned many times before when this conversation comes up, there is really little to no difference between the two movements. Sellita has been making contract ETA movements for years, before ETA finally went to all "in house" movements a few years ago.

From the Watch Wiki:

Sellita is a Swiss movement manufacturer established in 1950 in La Chaux-de-Fonds.


Today, Sellita is best known as a producer of automatic movements based on designs from ETA. Sellita was a contractor to the Swatch Group giant, producing parts and movements under license and began producing their own movements in 2003.
Since Swatch/ETA announced that they would cut back movement deliveries to third party customers, the importance of alternative suppliers such as Sellita, Technotime, and La Joux-Perret, has increased dramatically.


Sellita movements include:

• SW 200 (based on the ETA 2824-2) - used by the German watch manufacturers Aristo and Marcello C
  • SW 220 (based on the ETA 2838)
  • SW 240 - 13-ligne
• SW 300 (based on the ETA 2892-2)
• SW 500 (based on the Valjoux 7750) - Introduced in 2002 and used by TAG Heuer as their Calibre 16

Address

Sellita Watch SA
Crêt du Locle 11
CH-2300 La Chaux-de-Fonds
Tel. ++41 (0) 32 967 99 67
Fax ++41 (0) 32 967 99 60
Weblinks

• Sellita SA

 

[d4m.test]

1. For background there is no comparison possible between a factory-fresh, locally sourced Asian clone movement re-assembled by a professional in a dust free environment to the original, dirty, sweat-shop ETA-clone You get when buying new from China.

2. One fine source source for movement comparisons and detailed sizes on hand sizes/ movement specs are the pink pages from Dr. Ranfft in german (use google translate to view in English): https://translate.google.pt/transla...-db.cgi?00&ranfft&&2uswk&ETA_2824_2&edit-text= (although on first check I could not find the SW200 or SW220-1)

taken from that site
ETA 2824-2

Funktionen​

Features

Automatic​

Automatic

Zentralsekunde​

Sweep second

Datum: Schnellschaltung​

Date: quickset

Option: Unruh-Stop​

Option: hack

Daten​

Data

11.5''', Dm= 25.6mm, Do= 26.0mm​

11.5 '', Dm = 25.6mm, Do = 26.0mm

H= 4.6mm (H= 4.7mm mit Kugellager)​

H = 4.6mm (H = 4.7mm with ball bearings)

F= 1.2mm​

F = 1.2mm

T= 1.8mm​

T = 1.8mm

17/21/25 Steine​

17/21/25 stones

f = 28800 A/h​

f = 28800 A / h

Gangreserve 40h​

Power reserve 40h

Unruhwelle ETA 2801​

Balance staff ETA 2801

Aufzugwelle / Stellwelle W3738​

Stem / stem W3738

Triebfeder / Batterie​

Spring / battery

1.25 x 11.0 x 0.125mm​

1:25 x 11.0 x 0.125mm

Zeiger​

Pointer

1.50 x 0.90 x 0.25mm​

1:50 x 0.90 x 0.25mm

You can also check both movements (price/size/handsize) here: http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html

 

[txrob779]

Mhmm....

 

[ZoomBoy]

Mhmm....

?

 

[txrob779]

That is "uh huh" as a nod YES to all the OP's replies.....mmhmm

 

[gmg_3]

I don't see the point in swapping out working clones for swiss Eta.

 

[ZoomBoy]

I don't see the point in swapping out working clones for swiss Eta.

I never said I'd do it while they were running. But once the Asian clones take a dump, I don't see why Swiss couldn't be an option.