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DW 7032: Tudor Monte Carlo Work-in-progress

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I've been waiting for the release of this one since March, when I first heard that DW was planning a 7032 case set for May. That was one long summer! But it was worth the wait, because the end result was a relatively affordable Tudor Oysterdate chronograph aka "Home Plate" aka "Monte Carlo". To be precise, it's only affordable relative to offerings from J&W, NDT, and Yuki. It's still a pricey project to undertake, but DW's achievement was to peg the minimum total cost below $900. A complete 7032 from the others could easily run for more than double that. If you're an eBay ace and go easy on the genuine bits, you could conceivably put a watch together for as little as $600-700. Which, again, will sound very expensive to most people.

Normal people.

But for some of us, that counts as a $@%^# bargain!

This isn't a review of the DW 7032, but a few pictures and a rundown of work done, and work that remains to be done. But my early impressions of the rep are very positive.

Movement: Here's where the most work needs to be done. The 7734 I have is in good shape, though every now and then the minute counter resets to 43.5 or 42. That's a clue to the bigger problem: tthe movement is geared for a 30-minute counter. It's not a fatal flaw, and not something that is easily detected, but it's sufficiently annoying for anyone who wants a full replication of the gen's functions. I've ordered parts to attempt a conversion, but I'm not sure if it will work. Even if the 30- to 45-minute conversion is successful, it is not a cheap way of sourcing a proper movement.

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Hands: DW's three main hands were replaced with items from Classic Watch Parts. In stark contrast to the excellent dial, DW's handset is surprisingly off. Both the hour and minute hands are too long, and have lumed areas that are too small and too far from the center. DW's sweep hand has too short a tail and is noticeably more reddish than the 5-10-minute sector. The CWP hands are not perfect, but they are a big improvement.

Dial: I wanted the home plates to both match the color of the CWP handset, and to match the look of genuine examples. If you look at 7031/7032s being sold online, you'll notice that the tritium often looks as if it was applied by a developmentally challenged monkey on his fifth cup of coffee. So I decided to do it myself. At one point, most of the markers were neatly lumed, as I had figured out a way to corral the drying, gummy, lume within the plates. Unfortunately, I packed the dial a bit too tightly for its trip to the watchsmith, and ended up with a bunch of squashed markers. I was despondent, but when I rechecked my pictures of gen Monte Carlos, the markers looked about right!

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Crown: The rep crown from DW is actually rather nice, with a well defined coronet and solid feel. Unfortunately, I couldn't use it as DW had sent a tube that would only accept a 703. Gen Triplock it is.

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Bracelet: Thanks to the great experience I had on my last 1016 project, I ordered another rep 7836 from Watch International. Getting the endlinks between the lugs was a brutal experience for my thumbs, but they're in. Inside them are 2mm bars from Yukiwatch, which is another plus for Mary's 7836. Yuki's own 7836 will only take bars as wide as 1.8mm.

What's left to do? Aside from the movement conversion, I'm looking to change the crystal, but I'm loath to pay $350 for a genuine C128. After all, I can already play all of my favorite games on my Commodore 64! (Little computer joke for you little computer people out there.) I would like to experiment on cheaper alternatives, maybe even crystals without magnifiers. There are a few other tweaks I have in mind, but I'll save those for the final post.
 

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wow. This looks very interesting. Although I'm not much into Tudors, the 45 minute counter is way cool.

Brilliant pics, btw
 

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Funny, I saw this dial for sale (from Spinmaster as I recall) elsewhere and thought you'd have one!

Wonderful piece. Thanks for posting!
 

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I saw that offer too, a complete set without movement. Sort of deja vu, seeing this watch here :)
 

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Thanks for the compliments, guys! (Tommy, I thought you were on leave! :) )

Spinmaster provides a great service, but I got this Tudor from DW himself.
 

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Thanks for showing that this can be done better than I've seen it done- one of the last examples had the bezel trimmed on the inside which looked terrible.

Good job
 

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You make it sound so easy. I couldn't lume a dial like this to save my life...
Excellent execution - as all your watches really...
 

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Progress!

Subtle change, or crucial step for DW Monte Carlo builds? Compare these shots with the pictures in the original post:

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this watch looks great! not familiar with the gen at all, but it just made me love it fromm the first sight!!! nice work.

p.s. I had a comodore128.....with a hidden c64 in the belly :)
 

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Nice work. That's a nice piece. I love the Monte Carlo. I have a gen Tudor Pre-Tiger chrono that is awesome...
 

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Where can I find a gen crystal for this watch (a T128 or 25-128 plexi)???
 

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trksh-bzr: You Commodore 128 users think you're so great! Next, you'll be telling me you owned an Atari 5200! :)

cgjane: I saw a 7169 for sale in a vintage shop last week. I like the cleaner design of the 7031/7032, but I would not mind one at all.

There are some really, really nice Tudor chronos from the 80s and 90s out there. Sad to say, the current crop doesn't really do a whole lot for me. Except for the Heritage, of course!

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Success!

In the OP I wrote about the wrong minute counter on my movement. I had 30 minutes instead of 45, and I wasn't sure if it could be converted.

Thankfully, parts #8040 and #8120 (below) worked perfectly. That's 45 teeth on the chronograph runner:

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Now, one elapsed minute looks like it does on the right, rather than the 1.5 indicated on the left:

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It bears repeating: If you care about having a 45-minute counter, do spend extra time or money looking for a movement so equipped. Converting a 30- to a 45- is neither cheap nor easy!
 

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I had hoped that this update would be the debut of my DW 7031 with genuine Cyclope 128. Unfortunately, due to concerns about the latter, I had to drop my plans for the former:

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The 7031 bezel was provided by the very generous ubiquitous at RWG, who had used it on an old build. It arrived earlier this week, shortly after the gen crystal. I thought the 7031 bezel would fit the crystal without modification, but this wasn't so. In fact, the black bezel was a near-perfect fit for DW's crystal. For the gen C128, a substantial amount of metal would have to be trimmed from the bezel's inner diameter. It looked to be a close thing on the NDT bezel, so I decided to fall back on the steel DW unit.

Despite the photos I've seen of gen crystals on the DW case, I was still surprised by the difference between gen and DW crystal dimensions. It's not just the outer diameters; the ID of the gen is a tiny bit larger. This results in a minuscule, but nevertheless disconcerting, amount of play between crystal and rehaut. I am guessing that this is due to production variation on the case, as I felt more of a wobble on some axes.

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My watchsmith sanded the ID of the DW bezel until the crystal could fit. Unfortunately, not all the markings made it through unscathed, and some of them lost their black paint in the process. I've decided to leave these unpainted. (File it under 'vintagizing'.) I don't know how justasgood did it (and in 20 minutes!), but his bezel trim job is the best I've seen on any DW 7032.

Was it worth upgrading? Definitely. In terms of accuracy, I still believe that there must have been a domed Cyclope 128 for the earliest Monte Carlos. I've found photos on VRF that show smooth refractions around the edges, which suggest the absence of a hard transition. However, I've yet to see a close-up, side view of such a domed C128, so I can't prove it. Anyhow, nearly every MC photo out there shows a beveled-edge C128, so it's safe to go with the majority.

I find that the biggest benefit of switching to a gen crystal is clarity. To be blunt, the optics on DW's crystals are not good. The cyclops, in particular, produces a bit of a "funhouse mirrors" effect on the date window. That's gone on the gen, as are other distortions on the rest of the crystal. Contrast is increased, and it's easier to make out fine details on the dial surface.

It should be noted that the gen crystal lowers the watch's profile significantly. By significant, I mean 1mm lower at the center of the crystal, more than 1mm lower at the top of the cyclops. The cyclops on the DW crystal stuck out like a chimney.

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Note the damage to the crown and pusher, courtesy of Bolognese pavement.

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Next step: New hands, slowly making their way from Hong Kong. I'll try to have a direct comparison between Yuki, this CWP set, and the stock DW units.
 

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:dribble: Stunning.

edit: Damnit, wasted my 200th post with a nonsense post. Oh well. nm. Back to spamming ;)
 

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His email is [email protected] I don't believe he has anywhere to view what he has though. You might need to know before you speak to him, if you know what I mean.