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DSN vs. standard fiddy.

trksh-bzr

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Hey guys.

An often discussed watch here is the fiddy. current available versions are:

1. dsn fiddy.

2. standard/cartel fiddy

3. Robert/T4d fiddy, based on what seems to be same case as cartel, with better lume than standard/cartel.

4. A cheapo version not worth considering for accuracy.

What I have had the oportunity to compare is the standard/cartel version and the DSN version.

Most of all I thought about fixing up my own DSN fiddy with a case with better and sharper lugs than the DSN. second, I thought about how many parts would be interchangeable on these 2. so, would it be possible to pimp up a cartel fiddy with the better DSN parts. And are any of the parts better on the standard/cartel.



Let the pics speak:



the lugs are over all more sharp on the standard version. mind you, the finish on this dsn is not how standard dsn finish brushing looks. but the shape of the actual lugg is standard. in this case the standard is much better than the dsn.

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the shape of the case is a bit different too.



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Eddie Lee for reference (picture borrowed from a Big Crown thread)



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Gen fiddy for reference:



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Inside looks the same, and by trying it out, the bezels are interchangeable:



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Crown guards:

the dsn crown guard has a ncer engraving, but I need to add that this dsn CG is modded to look this flush and nice. the standard one has a rougher engraveing. the standard has "high heels" and the dsn doesn't have this.
I have seen some gens tht actually have slilghtly high heels, but not as pronounced as on the standard rep.

overall the dsn is more accurate, or should I say, has the potential to be the better crown guard by correct modding.




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The crowns:

the standard is thicker, and from what I gather, the thicker one is more accurate.




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The dials:

Dials are if not identical, then at least 99 % the same of course the dsn has far far better lume than standard, but both have wrong day time colour. relume to white colour is obligatory.



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Gen lume colour for reference:



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The crystals:

This one is simple, DSN is saphire, standard is mineral. (t4d/Pwc/robert has a saphire version)
A saphire from DSN will cost around 100 bucks if bought seperately.




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The mvts:

The DSN I have here is a swiss mvt. the standard is asian. the swiss dsn has the correct size diameter balance wheel, but doesn't have the flared spokes. the asian has the flared spokes but is a smaller diameter.
bridges are matte on the standard, and shiny on the swiss DSN. matte bridges are more accurate.




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The casebacks:

both seem 98% identical and are interchangeable. the rim on the standard seems a tad wider than on the DSN, odd cuz they are otherwise very alike.




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Hope this clears some answers up for some good folks.


Thanks for looking
 

COLDI

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Nice I just learned a LOT about some fiddys
 

haysy

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Nice comparison thanks a lot! Just one question, from what I read the reco would be to go for the standard. And where do I have to classify a fiddy from Sead? As I´m looking for a fiddy since weeks I was in contact with

DSN no fiddy on stock
Sead will get one in 1 or 2 weeks
Robert no reply from my mail

So out of these 3 and having your comparison in mind, which one would you choose guys and why?

Thanks Martin
 

trksh-bzr

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over all, I'd say the cartel is more affordable,so go with that if you are ready to spend money on dsn CG and dsn crystal and a relume/AR job. without these mods, I think the cartel/standard is too cheapo.
 

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The Dsn crown is much closer to the gen crown actually, the fatter crowns can be found on some cartels and v5 version of the EL fiddy, not good

The dials are a crap shoot since some Dsn dials have the 1950 more aligned like gen and others don't, cartel, no good

The area of the lugs will not be like gen on either cartel or Dsn, the ONLY case that is 1:1 like gen is the v4 of the EL, no other EL will have the classic boat bow shape and the way the lugs fall

As for the crystal all are not close to gen, the only crystal close to gen is the Rex mineral crystal which he doesn't have anymore, or the EL v5 crystal, all others just take off the AR and you will be much better off

Cg, well the Dsn is better than cartel

Hope that clears up some questions I have gotten through pm :)
 

trksh-bzr

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The dials are a crap shoot since some Dsn dials have the 1950 more aligned like gen and others don't, cartel, no good

As for the crystal all are not close to gen, the only crystal close to gen is the Rex mineral crystal which he doesn't have anymore, or the EL v5 crystal, all others just take off the AR and you will be much better off
I had no idea about the crown, thanks.
as shown, dsn and cartel dials are the same, so either they're both good or both bad.
gen has AR so whatever crystal, AR is accurate, as long as we're not talking standard rep AR.
 

cloneman

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The gen AR is not noticeable at all, no blue or anything..it's maybe yellow if you look at it long enough but even then it looks really really clear, hard to explain,then there's how the crystal looks

That's why that's the thing that rep makers cant get right.
 

trksh-bzr

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I don't agree that the gen AR is not noticeable at all. if you didn't have AR, you would see it, right? so any good AR is better than no AR.
 

cloneman

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I'll try to take a pic of my gen crystal and hopefully capture what I'm trying to say ;)
 

cloneman

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here you go ...theres no visible AR , thats the reason it is very difficult to replicate, not to mention the shape is something NO rep has ever been able to copy
 

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No AR = reflections of light / glare, no dominant hue effects
Bad AR = low/no reflection of a central wavelength, higher reflection of surrounding ones -> hue
Perfect AR = no reflections thus improved visual acuity/contrast as more light pass through and no hue

Hard to tell from the pictures, but gen do look like "no AR"?
 

cloneman

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It does have AR, trust me, look at any gen 127

The gen crystal on the 127 is so complicated yet so simple ;)
 

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yes, but I don't get the point.
out of the two available replica versions, the dsn crystal is the best, and I suggest getting uwe finedd AR on it. (which by the way is yellow if any colour)
the fact that the gen is better than the reps is obvious.
 

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No, the AR from anyone won't come close!
That's what the point is

Why spend the money getting it AR'ed from anyone, waste of money

Hence why I said take the AR off any rep crystal
The shape is not perfect and it's not "clean" crystal so the AR will show even more of it's faults