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Disappointed with the quality
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QC is for checking for major defects, such as scratches on a watch, or maybe a dial is misprinted, or some blotching on your dial. It's also to make sure you are getting the watch you ordered.
It does not inform you about the quality of the watch. That part is up for us to research.
Dealers are like car salesman. They'll source and sell the car for you but really they are not there to advise you what to buy.
We as the consumer have the power to do research and chose what product we spend our money on.
Chalk it up to a lesson learned, sell the TW+ at a $100 discount and a lesson learnt. And then buy Clean.
You are responsible for your own QC in the pictures you receive as part of the buying process. As for the general quality of the watch and what to expect, you need to do research beforehand on the factories that produce them and look at reviews and in-hand pics from other people.
Buying reps is a minefield and the only way to navigate is to get knowledge and information from places like RWI. In other words READ before you buy.
One thread was not sufficient, was it?
You clearly haven't bothered to read much on this forum nor seem to understand what the members are telling you in your other thread (which I'm going to merge, btw).
QC is for YOU to do. The dealers sources the watch YOU chose, provides some pics for YOUR QC and sends it to you.
You have a loose minute hand you are saying. Since it got loose just now, after you using it, after being sent internationally and getting bashed and banged around, didn't it occur to you that this fault wasn't recognizable prior to shipping?
Did you try to talk to chazingtime regarding this issue? You still have stickers on your watch, it may be still covered by warranty.
How do you substantiate the statement "Chazingtime are gangsters and not helpful at all." What did they not do for you? How did you communicate with them about this?
You clearly haven't bothered to read much on this forum nor seem to understand what the members are telling you in your other thread (which I'm going to merge, btw).
QC is for YOU to do. The dealers sources the watch YOU chose, provides some pics for YOUR QC and sends it to you.
You have a loose minute hand you are saying. Since it got loose just now, after you using it, after being sent internationally and getting bashed and banged around, didn't it occur to you that this fault wasn't recognizable prior to shipping?
Did you try to talk to chazingtime regarding this issue? You still have stickers on your watch, it may be still covered by warranty.
How do you substantiate the statement "Chazingtime are gangsters and not helpful at all." What did they not do for you? How did you communicate with them about this?
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Thanks for your response. Let’s unpack this a little further in regards to your points. First, I am 12 thousand miles away from where CT, who sold me the watch and sent the QC watch images. Q. How am I supposed to check from QC photos that the mechanism works correctly or there is nothing wrong with the mechanism within the watch? I trusted CT and there Qaulity Process such that before dispatch the visual and mechanical components of the watch were inspected and sound. In this case there QC process failed, as I had not even completely unwrapped the watch when it arrived and noticed the mechanical fail of the minute hand. You can see from my photos the shrink wrap still on the band. This is my point (what is this dealers QC process and how does it give the buyer some level of quality satisfaction and assurance? Second Point: The watch I bought came in a box which I paid for at additional expense with padding inside and bound in layers of foam padding as have previous watches I have bought. So I am not convinced the Bashed and Banged story is actually the reality in this case. The CT team like to push responsibility away, like I am READING other dealers are doing to buyers. And i get it that no one likes a fail, but they happen. I am believer in repeat business, promoting good quality and good customer support. If I didn't offer that in my business I wouldn’t have one myself. Gangsters - Dealers who say or promote they do things they are actually are not doing like; advertise products they don't have in stock so make you wait month, promtoe service they dont actually provide or support including effective communication when it goes wrong. I dislike businesses that say they have a quality management process when they don't, and don't accept or provide an RMA process or at least a level of responsibly and simply push responsibility away as they know they can get away with it. I have sent the watch back at another $40 cost to me, I dont expect to get a refund or a returned fixed or replaced item, but I’ll keep you posted on whether CT is a worthy dealer to be trusted. I can assure your I do plenty of reading here mate and there are dealers here that don't cut the mustard!!
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After reading all that I conclude for you : stick to buying gens.
Here's a motto you should live by in the replica game. "Shit happens". Every experienced member here has a story of a watch that has arrived broken or maybe a watch that was not up to their expectations.
Please remeber this is an illegal business. Replace "replica watch" with "drugs" and you'll see how silly your rant about legal business rules or standards or whatever is.
You're buying a fake watch, made in subpar conditions, at 1/15th the price of the real.
Please recall what $500 gets you in a real watch. A Seiko NH34 GMT or a Tissot PRX. Set your expectations accordingly.... if you want that full QC guarantee with hand holding and warranty and perfection, buy the 15000 gen.
You accuse Chazing of being gangster or whatever. In fact you accused basically all dealers here.
You blame dealers for delivering watches with a timeline of a month and call that shoddy and gangster behavior.... buddy that's just normal. This isn't a legal business or supply chain. Imagine trying to do business that is illegal in a police state where you can go to jail for 5 years for selling some replica watches.
And your watch travelled 12000 miles to you and you think that over that distance... does ChazingTime control if a lazy post office worker decided to toss your package like a football?
The forum has done a great job in giving you a semi moderated environment for purchasing illegal goods but somehow you construed this to mean you need to recieve perfect amazing 100% guaranteed service, that nothing should ever go wrong....
They delivered you what you paid for and you're unhappy. Own up to your mistake that you didn't do research about what you purchased and put it behind you.
Here's a motto you should live by in the replica game. "Shit happens". Every experienced member here has a story of a watch that has arrived broken or maybe a watch that was not up to their expectations.
Please remeber this is an illegal business. Replace "replica watch" with "drugs" and you'll see how silly your rant about legal business rules or standards or whatever is.
You're buying a fake watch, made in subpar conditions, at 1/15th the price of the real.
Please recall what $500 gets you in a real watch. A Seiko NH34 GMT or a Tissot PRX. Set your expectations accordingly.... if you want that full QC guarantee with hand holding and warranty and perfection, buy the 15000 gen.
You accuse Chazing of being gangster or whatever. In fact you accused basically all dealers here.
You blame dealers for delivering watches with a timeline of a month and call that shoddy and gangster behavior.... buddy that's just normal. This isn't a legal business or supply chain. Imagine trying to do business that is illegal in a police state where you can go to jail for 5 years for selling some replica watches.
And your watch travelled 12000 miles to you and you think that over that distance... does ChazingTime control if a lazy post office worker decided to toss your package like a football?
The forum has done a great job in giving you a semi moderated environment for purchasing illegal goods but somehow you construed this to mean you need to recieve perfect amazing 100% guaranteed service, that nothing should ever go wrong....
They delivered you what you paid for and you're unhappy. Own up to your mistake that you didn't do research about what you purchased and put it behind you.
Considering your expectations, statements and actions that's apparently not sufficient. Every single point of your reasoning can be disputed by plenty of posts here in the forum.
@derjenigewelcher can show you a video of how parcel dispatch can be handled in China. No padding and foam will protect anything from that kind of treatment, that's basic physics. The TD will check for basic functionality and there is no way for you to tell the loose minute hand was present at the time of their check.
You know what, I don't see the point in repeating myself or repeating what other members have told you here, everything has already been said by experienced members, but you continue to doubt it. .
I'm sorry you're not happy with what you bought and hope everything turns out for the best. I advise you to continue reading and be more mindful of what you are buying (quality of different factories) and of what to expect from a chinese counterfeit product, including the risks you take endeavoring in this business. Including also what is the best course of action should issues arise.
Lots of clownery and stupidity in this thread
I have several driver type watches ranging from Seiko to Tissot. Even on a few of those the bezel doesn't exactly align perfectly at the 12 oclock position. The Seikos probably $250 apiece and the several hundred for the Tissot. For me, that alignment not being exactly perfect isn't a huge deal. I can accept/ live with it being off a tad.
Not to beat a dead horse, but any Trusted Dealer (TD) will sell you whatever factory watch you want, as long as they carry it.
As for the comment, "maybe just steer clear of the GMT’s from these guys," who exactly are "these guys" you're referring to? If you mean to avoid CT's GMT's, that doesn't make sense and shows a lack of understanding about how TDs and factories operate. I'd recommend doing more research before making an uninformed replica watch purchase. If you're not up for the research, be prepared for the possibility of a purchase you're not satisfied with.
If you're advising to steer clear of TW+ GMT's, that might be solid advice. In that case, it would be helpful if you could write up a review of your TW+ GMT. Sharing your experience would benefit others in the RWI community by highlighting the pros and cons of the watch.
RWI thrives on information from its members. There's a wealth of knowledge here, and taking the time to research will increase your chances of making an informed purchase and ending up with a watch you’re happy with.
If you want perfection without the research, then just buy a genuine watch. It's simpler and the quality will likely meet any discerning buyer's expectations.
As for the comment, "maybe just steer clear of the GMT’s from these guys," who exactly are "these guys" you're referring to? If you mean to avoid CT's GMT's, that doesn't make sense and shows a lack of understanding about how TDs and factories operate. I'd recommend doing more research before making an uninformed replica watch purchase. If you're not up for the research, be prepared for the possibility of a purchase you're not satisfied with.
If you're advising to steer clear of TW+ GMT's, that might be solid advice. In that case, it would be helpful if you could write up a review of your TW+ GMT. Sharing your experience would benefit others in the RWI community by highlighting the pros and cons of the watch.
RWI thrives on information from its members. There's a wealth of knowledge here, and taking the time to research will increase your chances of making an informed purchase and ending up with a watch you’re happy with.
If you want perfection without the research, then just buy a genuine watch. It's simpler and the quality will likely meet any discerning buyer's expectations.
Sometimes I really admire people like this. He is going to spend a few hundred on something he has no earthly idea what the hack it is, but then doesn't sound like he's going to look around and find some info to read. Not able to find it anywhere? Then why you are here? Flipping Tinder and being redirected here?
Really? So you go to Walmart, pick a pack of Coke from an unknown brand, and it ends up taste like donkey pee. It is the problem of Walmart because they "don't cut the mustard"?
What kind of readings you have done plenty of? I'll tell others to avoid them.
HOLY JESUS!!! That looks like a freaking nightmare! This further illustrates why it can quite a while to get your timepiece!
Imagine a nursing 16-year-old sitting in a dark back room in a run-down building in Ghangzhou assembling your watch on the same table she has her food while trying to keep the toddler quiet. That's why after operating cost and marketing and dealer mark-ups you get a Rolex replica for $500 that looks like a $15,000 original. At some point, there are concessions to be made.
That's also the reason why a lot of experienced members here on RWI who actually suggest to have your new-to-you watch serviced before using it too long, as many of them have tiny dirt particles in the movement.
So buy that $500 watch, have the bezel aligned, the hand re-attached, and the movement serviced, and you are still so far ahead compared to buying a used GEN. If that's not worth it to you, we understand. Imagine EVERYBODY wanted to buy a replica Rolex, ideally ordered next day via Amazon Prime, with money back guarantee and free returns . . .
That's also the reason why a lot of experienced members here on RWI who actually suggest to have your new-to-you watch serviced before using it too long, as many of them have tiny dirt particles in the movement.
So buy that $500 watch, have the bezel aligned, the hand re-attached, and the movement serviced, and you are still so far ahead compared to buying a used GEN. If that's not worth it to you, we understand. Imagine EVERYBODY wanted to buy a replica Rolex, ideally ordered next day via Amazon Prime, with money back guarantee and free returns . . .
I agreed with most, but you might want to raise the girl's age to 18 or above. GZ is a comparatively rich city in China, in the age of 16, they are still in high school, not compulsory but rarely drop out at this stage. Plus a watchmaker might take a bit more skills than a high school dropout.
Surely if a watch arrives from a TD with a broken hand.. the TD should replace or assist in making good? I get the mis ordering of the correct version of watch is on the owner and lack of knowledge prior to pulling the trigger, it can be a minefield for a new person stepping in to this game. BUT, I certainly would want some form of resolvement from a TD if a watch arrived bolloxed.
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