Deepsea Blue ARF v2 vs Gen 116660 comparison

[xartan]

This is defenetly a super rep. Thanks a lot for the review. It's incredible how close this watch comes to the real deal. Just amazing.

Too bad that 'valve' is a bit too much to the right.
​​​​​​

And then there are the dial, bezel insert, crown, lume, hands, markers, "DEEPSEA" color, lug shape, high crystal, perl, bezel teeth, sharp edges, to low titanium case back. Did I miss something? But yeah a great REP. I have v1 and enjoy it a lot as my daily driver.

 

[Spatiumtemporis]

And then there are the dial, bezel insert, crown, lume, hands, markers, "DEEPSEA" color, lug shape, high crystal, perl, bezel teeth, sharp edges, to low titanium case back. Did I miss something? But yeah a great REP. I have v1 and enjoy it a lot as my daily driver.

Fair enaugh. I am aware of the flaws of the dial and insert. Crystal height is a minor issue and can be easily fixed, unlike major flaws in other rolex reps.

The sharp edges on the bracelet can be easily fixed as well and are a flaw on the vast majority of rolex reps.

I am unaware of the other flaws though you mentioned above. The lugs, bezel, lugs and case back. Could you please point them out, especially the lug issue.

Thx!

P. S. Was Calling this a super rep because of it's overall looks. The silluete or the overlook of the watch if you will at a 1st glance is amazing to me. At least judging from pt's pics.

I have ordered one. So curious to see it in person.
​​

 

[xartan]

Fair enaugh. I am aware of the flaws of the dial and insert. Crystal height is a minor issue and can be easily fixed, unlike major flaws in other rolex reps.

The sharp edges on the bracelet can be easily fixed as well and are a flaw on the vast majority of rolex reps.

I am unaware of the other flaws though you mentioned above. The lugs, bezel, lugs and case back. Could you please point them out, especially the lug issue.

Thx!

P. S. Was Calling this a super rep because of it's overall looks. The silluete or the overlook of the watch if you will at a 1st glance is amazing to me. At least judging from pt's pics.

I have ordered one. So curious to see it in person.
​​

Tbh it’s mostly minor flaws I don’t notice most of the time unless I specifically look for them and I think it’s an amazing rep. The color of “DEEPSEA”, the gap between the bezel and the case and the hands and to some extend the dial and the too white lume someone else pointed out bother me the most on a bad day. I’m not sure what it takes to be a super rep and who decides the waches that earn that title. It’s probably one of the best ootb reps, though as I’m sure more knowledgeable members than me will agree. I didn’t mean to give the impression it’s not a god rep. I’m just saying there are a lot more imperfections than the rehaut position when you study the details.

BTW I don’t think there is an easy fix for the high crystal.

 

[Spatiumtemporis]

Tbh it’s mostly minor flaws I don’t notice most of the time unless I specifically look for them and I think it’s an amazing rep. The color of “DEEPSEA”, the gap between the bezel and the case and the hands and to some extend the dial and the too white lume someone else pointed out bother me the most on a bad day. I’m not sure what it takes to be a super rep and who decides the waches that earn that title. It’s probably one of the best ootb reps, though as I’m sure more knowledgeable members than me will agree. I didn’t mean to give the impression it’s not a god rep. I’m just saying there are a lot more imperfections than the rehaut position when you study the details.

BTW I don’t think there is an easy fix for the high crystal.

Okay,

So leaving the dial out of the conversation for now. Because most of the flaws you pointed out are dial related. Don't get me worng, i perfectly agree with you on those.

Now let's discuss about the problems regarding the bezel and crystal. Again, don't get me wrong, i am just trying to figure out the flaws and learn if they can be easily fixed or not.
Not pretending to be an expert like you also said, just trying to educate myself.

Taking a 2nd look at the SD's construction it seems you may be right about the crystal height issue .

Assuming that ARF has the exact same construction as the gen, it may be possible that the crystal height issue is caused by a thicker crystal or a thicker compression ring.
I have never had a SD rep before so it's hard for me to tell until i get my hands on one.

Regarding the bezel gap. Without taking the time to go through all the posts here, I initially assumed that the bezel assembly was sitting too high (loose) rather than too tight ( close to the case ) .
So if this was the case, the problem would have been easier to deal with imo.

I also assumed that the bezel assembly was similar to the sub's ( but i was wrong ) and this is why i thought it might be an easy fix (if loweing the bezel was the case) , because on the sub, you can shave the retainer ring a bit, thus lowering the bezel, making it sit more closely to the case.

Now can you please point out what is bad about the lugs.
I am still struggling to see any difference.
I have noticed a slight difference but i'm still not sure if it has to do with the angle of the photo.

cheers

 

[xartan]

Well the lug shape is not completely gen like at least on my v1. It doesn’t really bother me that much though since the SELs are near perfect. I don’t really see it on the wrist.
RobSe1 said the crystal height is not easily fixed I don’t know much about it myself. For some reason the crystal doesn’t look high at the edge on my watch. It’s partially because the bezel sits a bit high but even when I press it down it looks ok to me. But the pictures of the v2 in this thread shows a higher crystal.

 

[Spatiumtemporis]

Well the lug shape is not completely gen like at least on my v1. It doesn’t really bother me that much though since the SELs are near perfect. I don’t really see it on the wrist.
RobSe1 said the crystal height is not easily fixed I don’t know much about it myself. For some reason the crystal doesn’t look high at the edge on my watch. It’s artially because the bezel sits a bit high but even when I press it down it looks ok to me. But the pictures of the v2 in this thread shows a higher crystal.

i think if you make the bezel sit a little high it will partially solve the crystal height as well .

 

[Spatiumtemporis]

here is a great vid that shows lots of details on the gen piece :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLje27Jy6Dw

 

[peterpl]

Thanks for sharing.

What I hate most about Rolex reps is the finish on the hands and hour marker surrounds.

We don’t have this level of poor finish on vsf omega reps (for example).

Generally speaking, when I compare gen and rep Rolex, it’s the gen hands and hour marker surrounds that “pop” more than rep.

This is the biggest aesthetic difference to my eyes across the Rolex SD and Sub models. Everything else is almost irrelevant IMO.


Rep (left), gen(right)

Those hands are a bloody mess. Look how sloppy they look and there are marks all over them wtf??? Did you open this watch and remove the hands etc...or was it like this from factory? That is sloppy as hell.

 

[RobSe1]

xartan the easy fix is to lift the Bezel up a bit - but then you‘ll have a gap between case/bezel.
If the Crystal is ok and the height no Problem this watch is awesome!!!
The Caseshape is also only a detail when compared to gen.

but those dirty hands are awful ^^

 

[Spatiumtemporis]

xartan the easy fix is to lift the Bezel up a bit - but then you‘ll have a gap between case/bezel.
If the Crystal is ok and the height no Problem this watch is awesome!!!
The Caseshape is also only a detail when compared to gen.

but those dirty hands are awful ^^

Can you please tell me what is wrong with the case ? What have you noticed ? thx

 

[prawnboy]

Those hands are a bloody mess. Look how sloppy they look and there are marks all over them wtf??? Did you open this watch and remove the hands etc...or was it like this from factory? That is sloppy as hell.

nothing wrong with the hands
This picture isl zoom by someone in this fourm

The actual watch with different angle

 

[xartan]

nothing wrong with the hands
This picture isl zoom by someone in this fourm

The actual watch with different angle

I think the gen hands look better than the arf ones. Arf hands are more flat and crude and don’t capture light the same way as gen.

 

[Rokerite]

Gen hands are made of white gold, the stainless steel or whatever is used on the rep will never be as good. FWIW I think the rep is amazingly close when you need macro pictures to pick faults.

 

[RobSe1]

Can you please tell me what is wrong with the case ? What have you noticed ? thx

The Case Shape on the Lugs is not correct - the ARF are fatter and more rounded than gen. If you compare it you will notice what i mean.

 

[xartan]

Gen hands are made of white gold, the stainless steel or whatever is used on the rep will never be as good. FWIW I think the rep is amazingly close when you need macro pictures to pick faults.

Rep is great and as I said before I enjoy my rep a lot for what it is even though I can easily see it’s not gen. I don’t need macro shots to see the difference. I tried the gen in a shop and it’s simply amazing and a totally different class IMO.

 

[Rokerite]

Rep is great and as I said before I enjoy my rep a lot for what it is even though I can easily see it’s not gen. I don’t need macro shots to see the difference. I tried the gen in a shop and it’s simply amazing and a totally different class IMO.

Of course the real thing is much, much better it costs nearly £20,000, roughly 50 times the cost of the rep. You are comparing apples and oranges.

 

[xartan]

Of course the real thing is much, much better it costs nearly £20,000, roughly 50 times the cost of the rep. You are comparing apples and oranges.

My point exactly. It seems like we agree
The rep is awesome though.

 

[SAInBeijing8888]

Thanks for the great review on ARF Deepsea, i managed to get one last week, its the ARF V3 and i think the factory has done a good job fixing the crystal height, overall i am happy with this super rep!