I’ve not seen them both in person to compare, the pic I posted is under really cool lighting, warm light changes the color obv. I think both factories in general have their merits, and when I said “same thing” I more meant ref # style and combo. For a 64 dollar raffle win, I’m pleased to be exposed to a watch I’d never buy. Gold is not on my radar, but it works well with these and I certainly cannot complain.