Crazy 5712 by SWF and VSV cal. 240 Super Clone

[OverTheTop]

Guys have you checked on ChazingTime what's popped out?
I'm amazed from it!!! What are you toughts? The price is really high....but damn, it is beautiful!!!
I'm totally tempted

CUSTOM MODDED NAUTILUS 5712 SS SWF 1:1 BEST EDITION BLUE DIAL ON SS BRACELET VSV SUPER CLONE - Chazingtime

5712 Mod List : PPF Base Watch , SWF Custom Dial , SWF Custom Hands , Moveable Endlinks , Full 3

chazingtime08.co

 

[oceaon]

My personal feeling is that the V1 with mods is still better. The V1 is a battle tank as the 9015 is stable, and the dial on V1 is closer to Gen in terms of color, but the text and font are not so clean. The 240 is more functional with PR. For now, they are using a SW V3 dial for it.
1.) I don't think the SW dial looks much like the Gen at all, and I am not the only one (well-known modder Spongebob is always trashing how bad that dial looks compared to Gen),
2.) I reached out to a couple of other Chinese modders about this, and one of them said, "Ultra 240 movements, free-sprung with the best-engraved plates, Yes terrible movement really, a land mine" - pretty bad when the Chinese call it landmine considering they want to sell you everything.

 

[OverTheTop]

My personal feeling is that the V1 with mods is still better. The V1 is a battle tank as the 9015 is stable, and the dial on V1 is closer to Gen in terms of color, but the text and font are not so clean. The 240 is more functional with PR. For now, they are using a SW V3 dial for it.
1.) I don't think the SW dial looks much like the Gen at all, and I am not the only one (well-known modder Spongebob is always trashing how bad that dial looks compared to Gen),
2.) I reached out to a couple of other Chinese modders about this, and one of them said, "Ultra 240 movements, free-sprung with the best-engraved plates, Yes terrible movement really, a land mine" - pretty bad when the Chinese call it landmine considering they want to sell you everything.

Dial seems very nice but I would love to see a comparison between the SW V3 and the gen!

Not too good to know that even the Chinese call this 240 supeclone a “landmine”.. for sure is something that we could have expected - considering the experience with the 324 superclone - but I hoped for an evolution in terms of reliability.

I’m waiting for more images, videos and news.

After these informations i’m less excited but still curious

 

[willthewristmaster99]

I want one of these so bad ): but it's a little out my reach. Maybe when they can get the movement by itself (with no gold rotor) for like 1k I would buy that quick ASF. But over 2k? Nah.

 

[serumdiesel]

Wish they had this level of modding available for 5726.

 

[willthewristmaster99]

Wish they had this level of modding available for 5726.

There is some mods but you're right there is nothing like this simply because of the lack of clone movement. To be honest I don't mind though. A clone movement annual calendar is going to be extremely costly to develop as well as for the end consumer. It's like making a perpetual calendar honestly, the perpetual has less parts.

 

[critical_]

There is some mods but you're right there is nothing like this simply because of the lack of clone movement. To be honest I don't mind though. A clone movement annual calendar is going to be extremely costly to develop as well as for the end consumer. It's like making a perpetual calendar honestly, the perpetual has less parts.

The thing that bothers me after the 5726 is the right-shifted day, month, and date windows. It appears to be a common issue. I wonder if it’s an easy fix involving repositioning the dial.

Back to the 5712, I would wait for one more revision of the dial.

 

[OverTheTop]

Hi guys, I spent some time to check better this cal. 240 Superclone and what bother me - considering the price they’re asking for it - is that as always it is not a real clone: there is a missing screw hole on the plate where is engraved “Patek Philippe” and a wrong jewel on the little plate where is engraved the “240”… more than 2k $ to have semiclone…too much… I hope that they will fix it and fix even the price…too high.
For 3188$ I pretend 24k rotor included and a real superclone.

Anyway I hope to see in real life asap this watch to understand better the dial and have a comparison with the gen 5712 of a friend. There are some variations of the 5712 dials…to me this SW v3(?) seems really well made, based on the 2016 version of the gen.

 

[willthewristmaster99]

Hi guys, I spent some time to check better this cal. 240 Superclone and what bother me - considering the price they’re asking for it - is that as always it is not a real clone: there is a missing screw hole on the plate where is engraved “Patek Philippe” and a wrong jewel on the little plate where is engraved the “240”… more than 2k $ to have semiclone…too much… I hope that they will fix it and fix even the price…too high.
For 3188$ I pretend 24k rotor included and a real superclone.

Anyway I hope to see in real life asap this watch to understand better the dial and have a comparison with the gen 5712 of a friend. There are some variations of the 5712 dials…to me this SW v3(?) seems really well made, based on the 2016 version of the gen.

I don't understand how this isn't a clone movement, by standard definition a clone movement is a movement is a movement who's purpose is to function just like gen, and as well as trying to get down as many genlike attributes AS POSSIBLE.

Your suggestion that because there is a missing screw, and a wrong jewel makes this NOT a clone movement is utter ridiculous. No clone movement has every single tiny detail down like that.

I would agree with you if it was some sort of MY9015 base plate like on the 5726 but the whole movement is totally custom. It's definitely a clone, even if it's not up to your specifications.

You could probably find a clone with those 2 little errors fixed plus a free sprung, and 22k rotor, and engraved for like 5kUSD

As far as the movement prices are concerned, if you don't like it then don't buy it. I wouldn't spend 3k on it either but that's besides the point.

Anyway, feel however you want about the movement. I also want to clarify that I'm just jokingly bantering and I'm not being dead serious and you can feel however you want about it I just wanted to leave my .02 as well

 

[grillbrill]

I don't understand how this isn't a clone movement, by standard definition a clone movement is a movement is a movement who's purpose is to function just like gen, and as well as trying to get down as many genlike attributes AS POSSIBLE.

Your suggestion that because there is a missing screw, and a wrong jewel makes this NOT a clone movement is utter ridiculous. No clone movement has every single tiny detail down like that.

I would agree with you if it was some sort of MY9015 base plate like on the 5726 but the whole movement is totally custom. It's definitely a clone, even if it's not up to your specifications.

You could probably find a clone with those 2 little errors fixed plus a free sprung, and 22k rotor, and engraved for like 5kUSD

As far as the movement prices are concerned, if you don't like it then don't buy it. I wouldn't spend 3k on it either but that's besides the point.

Anyway, feel however you want about the movement. I also want to clarify that I'm just jokingly bantering and I'm not being dead serious and you can feel however you want about it I just wanted to leave my .02 as well

I think some (most?) rep collector want the rep movements to be a 1:1 copy of the gen, just like the other parts (especially the dial) of the rep. The term "clone" can be misleading from this point of view hinting the rep movement is a perfect copy which is obviously not.

 

[willthewristmaster99]

I think some (most?) rep collector want the rep movements to be a 1:1 copy of the gen, just like the other parts (especially the dial) of the rep. The term "clone" can be misleading from this point of view hinting the rep movement is a perfect copy which is obviously not.

Okay well if you want that then just buy gen. This is every bit of a clone movement as the VS3135 or the N4130. Don't get me wrong you can buy upgraded versions for 3000$ but that's for a different topic.

 

[Ac1013]

Why no one here notices, the dial in chazingtime advertising is a gen dial. The rest is rep. that is 100% not a sw dial or a vsv dial.

 

[kelvinmd99]

I just ordered a 5712 with sw dial, hands, engraved movement plates without the free sprung balance wheel from them for 1600 usd … will post some pics when I get the damn thing. It’s almost 1700 extra that they charge just for the free sprung balance wheel and u can prob source a gen balance for that amount of money so I may try to do that if the movement feels solid and I don’t get one with floppy minute hands or issues with the keyless system

 

[Reaps]

I just ordered a 5712 with sw dial, hands, engraved movement plates without the free sprung balance wheel from them for 1600 usd … will post some pics when I get the damn thing. It’s almost 1700 extra that they charge just for the free sprung balance wheel and u can prob source a gen balance for that amount of money so I may try to do that if the movement feels solid and I don’t get one with floppy minute hands or issues with the keyless system

I was told that the movement is non stable. For Chinese buyers its no issue, they can ship back to modders. For us? Tough shit.

I would not buy unless you live in SEA with a easy route back to China.

 

[kelvinmd99]

Yeah I know - it’s a risk! I am going to have rigorously QC it. It’s hit or miss essentially some forum members have had good movements and some with broken keyless clutch gears and floppy hands. If i have none of those issues i will try to get a gen balance plate/wheel. have been eyeing a 5712 for couple years and i don’t think the clone movement will be improved by the factories, heck they r not even engraving the movement plates anymore …

 

[willthewristmaster99]

Yeah I know - it’s a risk! I am going to have rigorously QC it. It’s hit or miss essentially some forum members have had good movements and some with broken keyless clutch gears and floppy hands. If i have none of those issues i will try to get a gen balance plate/wheel. have been eyeing a 5712 for couple years and i don’t think the clone movement will be improved by the factories, heck they r not even engraving the movement plates anymore …

Not sure if the guy above has actually had one and had an issue but me and 10 internet folks i chat with on Reddit/discord all agree that this watch is one of our favs. Mines running +3s/d 5 positions so I would say the movement is fairly reliable. I've had mine for almost 6 months now.

 

[Reaps]

Not sure if the guy above has actually had one and had an issue but me and 10 internet folks i chat with on Reddit/discord all agree that this watch is one of our favs. Mines running +3s/d 5 positions so I would say the movement is fairly reliable. I've had mine for almost 6 months now.

You can use my name bud. And no, I don't have one. I was talking to a modder about getting one but he said not to bother and wait until it's stabilized.

As with all rep movements, luck is part of it. Congrats you got a stable one. That doesn't mean I can get one.

 

[Reaps]

You can use my name bud. And no, I don't have one. I was talking to a modder about getting one but he said not to bother and wait until it's stabilized.

As with all rep movements, luck is part of it. Congrats you got a stable one. That doesn't mean I can get one.

I'm talking about the free sprung balance VSV version. That version is not reccomended.

The A240 clone, I have. And I got a bad batch. But it's ok. If you like it, buy it. It's a toy costing fraction of gen after all.

 

[willthewristmaster99]

You can use my name bud. And no, I don't have one. I was talking to a modder about getting one but he said not to bother and wait until it's stabilized.

As with all rep movements, luck is part of it. Congrats you got a stable one. That doesn't mean I can get one.

Sorry homie no offense was intended I genuinely just read your comment and didn't even look at your name.

Thank you, yes I will agree that generally clone movements are less stable than ETAs but have the added benefit of gen like spacing with all the components (balance wheel at X o'clock, etc) so they're more gen like.

 

[willthewristmaster99]

I'm talking about the free sprung balance VSV version. That version is not reccomended.

The A240 clone, I have. And I got a bad batch. But it's ok. If you like it, buy it. It's a toy costing fraction of gen after all.

Oh, I see. Then my pardons, I am not talking about this one. I am just referring to the regular A240 from PPF.

While I think it's super cool, I would not spend 2000$ on what is essentially a mystery movement at an insane mark up because they use real gold and threw in a swiss balance.

I would need someone to have this movement for at least a year, no service ideally , and tell me it's running like a champ for me to fork over 2000$ more Dollars when the PPF is just fine for me.

But me personally I'd probably rather sink 2k into a really good RM with the super expensive clone they have for the bubba Watson.

Thanks for clarification about which movement you were talking about.

OP id honestly wait because 2k is a lot of money to be spending on a paper weight if something goes wrong. If it arrived dead You're in for a world of pain to get it repaired/replaced.

Just buy a regular 5712 PPF and mod it if you wanna go crazy, dial, hands, whatever. Until the movement is stripped and tested by people here then don't buy it.