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Cost to adjust +/- secs at a watchmaker

thicklove

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How much would it cost to adjust my ETA clone at a watchmaker's shop? I know price will vary depending on where I go. I am in the US and I plan to take it to a local small shop. My UPO seems to be picking up a few seconds every day as it breaks in. I think I am about +18 seconds a day now after about 3 days.
 

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If your UPO is gaining a few seconds a day, I would strongly suggest that you leave it as it is. If your watch with genuine eta movement is running that well, it is within COSC specs and I would be very suspect of any watchmaker willing to take your money to even look at it.
The chances of movement that is already that accurate, any more accurate are fairly slim.
NOW, if you are 15+ seconds fast, then the simple turning of the adjustment screw should get you down to where you should be. Again, an honest watchmaker would most hopefully tell you to leave it alone!
If you do find someone who wishes to make the adjustment, they will most likely charge an hours rate to even open the watch. Typically this would be in the area of $35-$50.
 

fakemaster

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I am trying to interpret your post. Are you saying it is running +18 after three days or it is running faster each day and is now +18 every 24 hours?
 

thicklove

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CBR, thanks for the info. You are always providing me with solid info.

I realize after reading your response that I did not communicate myself well with regards to how much time it's off by. At this point, it is running about +18 seconds PER DAY, after owning the watch for 3 days.

I am going to leave the watch alone and settle down some more for another week or two. Once it stays consistent, I will attempt to adjust myself using the adjustment screw, if need be. Hopefully it will come back down on it's own after breaking in.

I am trying to interpret your post. Are you saying it is running +18 after three days or it is running faster each day and is now +18 every 24 hours?

Fakey, see my post above. I must have confused more than one person. My apologies.

By the way, I just purchased a new tool set that I will be using to make the adjustment. I thought I would make the investment towards my new hobby.

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fakemaster

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So is the watch running faster each day or is it running consistently the same?
 

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OK, I understand now... I would give it a little more time to see if any other issues develop. If nothing else develops and the watch continues to gain 18 seconds per 24 hours period, adjust it 3 notches (each notch should adjust for 5 seconds) and you should be withing a few seconds per 24 hours.
But also understand 18 seconds per day for a non-serviced eta movement is pretty darn good.
I also want to compliment you on the choice of tools. I have a set of "Handy Mandy" tools that my 5 year old gave up. I have found they work quite nicely for watch modding!
 

thicklove

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So is the watch running faster each day or is it running consistently the same?

It appears to be running faster each day.

OK, I understand now... I would give it a little more time to see if any other issues develop. If nothing else develops and the watch continues to gain 18 seconds per 24 hours period, adjust it 3 notches (each notch should adjust for 5 seconds) and you should be withing a few seconds per 24 hours.
But also understand 18 seconds per day for a non-serviced eta movement is pretty darn good.
I also want to compliment you on the choice of tools. I have a set of "Handy Mandy" tools that my 5 year old gave up. I have found they work quite nicely for watch modding!

Thank you, will monitor for the next week or more and then make the adjustments as necessary. I've been wondering how much seconds of adjustment each notch makes, so appreciate that bit of info.

I am very proud of my new tool set.
 

fakemaster

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That's what I thought you were saying. Next question where do you live?
 

fakemaster

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Well that makes sense. In the last few days the temperature has gone up, barometric pressure has dropped and the humidity levels have fallen 30%. That would explain a change right there. On top of that you are breaking a new watch which may be banking if you have overwound it.
 

thicklove

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Well that makes sense. In the last few days the temperature has gone up, barometric pressure has dropped and the humidity levels have fallen 30%. That would explain a change right there. On top of that you are breaking a new watch which may be banking if you have overwound it.

You are right about the weather. There have been pretty significant changes in the weather in the past few days. It rained for the first time last night in the past few weeks.

I did wind it up pretty good the first day I got it. I would say about 40 turns, thinking that would be a full charge. However, I didn't know you could overwind a modern automatic movement. I've read you couldn't on the forums, so I wasn't too cautious of it. I have not wound it since the initial day as I've been wearing it since. Hopefully I didn't damage anything. Also, I don't know what the term "banking" means. I will search it. Thanks for the info, Fakey.
 

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Hello, guys
my UPO/ETA from Josh just have same issue to gain ~15sek a day which drives me crazy, I am in Chicago. I did opened the case back but couldn't turn that screw with regular watch scredriver, any help will very apreciate.
thanks
 

fakemaster

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Under normal circumstances with a properly serviced movement no. These watches are not built to the same tolerances and you're lucky if it is not bone dry. But even if there is lubrcation it takes time to work it's way around during the breaking in period. During that time the watch can run fast or slow or dead on. Unfortunately it is during this period that any contaminants can make their way around as well. I would suggest you let the watch run totally dead. Then give it a few winds, set it and go.
 

thicklove

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Fakey, will do. Thanks for contributing your wealth of knowledge to my situation. I will let it sit and deplete it's power reserve. Then give it a few winds and see how it performs. Will report back!
 

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Well that makes sense. In the last few days the temperature has gone up, barometric pressure has dropped and the humidity levels have fallen 30%. That would explain a change right there. On top of that you are breaking a new watch which may be banking if you have overwound it.

Sounds like you have this down to a science....
 

thicklove

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Update. In 24 hours, the watch is running +31 seconds. I am still waiting for the power reserve to be depleted.
 

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You can open it and adjust the regulator yourself, just don't put it out of beat (although you can indeed fix that on your own if you do it accidentally). If it bugs you enough, have it serviced and adjusted. Or just live with it...
 

thicklove

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Okay, I let it stop and then winded it up a little to get it going, still fast.

I adjusted the regulator screw. The question is, if I turn it to the negative (-) side and keep going a full 360 degree revolution and end up pointing to where I started, will it slow down the timing or will it be the same timing before I turned the screw?

if I turn the screw 3 full revolutions, will it slow down even more or does it not work that way? I ask because I turned it down 180degrees and had no decrease in timing. I then turned it another 180 degrees and had no decease in timing. I turned it down another 360 degrees and had no decrease in timing.

It's not a little fast, it's alot fast. at least 4 seconds every 1 hour or more.