Clean no date sub 114060 + DD3130 movement limited edition for forum members

[Jawny]

Wrong angle - although when seen from the side they are better than when they were still ZZF cases. If seen from the top the correct shape should be more curved / scalloped. The shape of the CF crown guard is too straight. VSF is perfect.

Okay could you point it out to me in this top down picture?

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[wubsub]

Wrong angle - although when seen from the side they are better than when they were still ZZF cases. If seen from the top the correct shape should be more curved / scalloped. The shape of the CF crown guard is too straight. VSF is perfect.

vsf rehaut is ass, but i agree the cgs are off on the clean for this model.

 

[wubsub]

Okay could you point it out to me in this top down picture?

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the angle should be more sharp and the slope of the cg lower

 

[Jawny]

the angle should be more sharp and the slope of the cg lower

Thank you for your help!

 

[muiramas]

Its more that the curve or scallop is missing altogether on CF. It looks really clunky by comparison. So yeah, when a TD or anyone says it’s been fixed / that it’s the best case that’s just some bullshit unfortunately.

 

[David1886]

Thank you for your help!

Thanks

the angle should be more sharp and the slope of the cg lower

Thanks for the contribution, I see the difference now.

After a bit on research, looking at 114460 photos from professional dealers I see that the majority of subs have the slope like the VSF. Although very few have the slope like CLEAN:

 

[Yellowsubmarine]

I’ve seen a lot of conversation regarding the clean vs vsf crown guards. And most of the time I see clean cg’s getting trashed?

I have compared a clean 114060 and vsf 116610 side by side to a gen multiple times and to me it looks like the clean is more accurate.

 

[pete195]

well mine will be here on sat uk

 

[SS72]

We just had this long discussion about crystals and cyclops color reflections on the VSF thread, and how it is or isn't a gen thing. How about we don't do the same here with crown guards. They vary between years, or after polishing during RSC services, etc. ...

Some are more sloped and less pointy than others, even with the same dial version. Both versions exist on gens, as evident from the following pics.

 

[David1886]

cool, I will post a picture of mine when it arrives.

 

[Storm.]

Okay could you point it out to me in this top down picture?

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Brother if you can't see rehsut and crown guard differences here, you shouldn't worry about it

 

[Kalev007]

We just had this long discussion about crystals and cyclops color reflections on the VSF thread, and how it is or isn't a gen thing. How about we don't do the same here with crown guards. They vary between years, or after polishing during RSC services, etc. ...

Some are more sloped and less pointy than others, even with the same dial version. Both versions exist on gens, as evident from the following pics.

If we leave the polishing out of the equation than the earlier versions had CG's that were not so sharp and more like Clean and with the later versions the CG's became more pointy like VSF's.

The above two are both fat font dials so OTB they should have exactly the same CG's.

Only the thin font dial early versions had the not so pointy Clean style CG's.

 

[pete195]

Wow its on my wrist now thank you ctime

 

[SS72]

Wow its on my wrist now thank you ctime

Pics or it didn't don't happen. Share the joy.

 

[Princewilliam]

@CTime, this is not a VSF, Clean or Submariner specific thing, but if you have the means, I'd love to see the construction of some rep Oyster bracelets compared the genuine article (this image from the Rolex Forum).

That’s definitely not how clean make them, they use a cheap flimsy sleeve and for some unknown reason a long spring

 

[SS72]

That’s definitely not how clean make them, they use a cheap flimsy sleeve and for some unknown reason a long spring

Thanks mate. That makes no sense at all. What purpose would a spring serve?!

 

[Princewilliam]

Thanks mate. That makes no sense at all. What purpose would a spring serve?!

I have no idea, my clean 36mm explorer arrived with the bracelet failing at the last fixed link before the sel and you could see a spring in there and a hollow tube, not gen like construction at all. I have separated the links of a noob and an arf Daytona bracelet so I could use the noob end links on the arf bracelet and they were exactly like the photo you posted. Not sure why clean would do this as they are putting a lot of effort into the rest of the watch

 

[David1886]

I have no idea, my clean 36mm explorer arrived with the bracelet failing at the last fixed link before the sel and you could see a spring in there and a hollow tube, not gen like construction at all. I have separated the links of a noob and an arf Daytona bracelet so I could use the noob end links on the arf bracelet and they were exactly like the photo you posted. Not sure why clean would do this as they are putting a lot of effort into the rest of the watch

Any way to identify the batch? Hopefully the TD refund you and its a isolated problem, otherwise sounds like Clean builds their watches with what is left on the floor, not good PR. Maybe CTime can confirm how the construction is.
My Sub should arrive this week, I will post photos and opinions on how it is.

 

[SS72]

I have no idea, my clean 36mm explorer arrived with the bracelet failing at the last fixed link before the sel and you could see a spring in there and a hollow tube, not gen like construction at all. I have separated the links of a noob and an arf Daytona bracelet so I could use the noob end links on the arf bracelet and they were exactly like the photo you posted. Not sure why clean would do this as they are putting a lot of effort into the rest of the watch

It looks like a similar hole configuration to what I posted previously, but they've used a spring bar in each end as opposed to a solid pin all the way through. Is that what I'm seeing here?

 

[Reaps]

Lots of conjecture here. The 19mm bracelet for the Explorer is not the same as the bracelets on the Sub, which have never had this issue.