Awesome wines = Italian and French wines?

[Spboudart]

In FRANCE, we make wines....
In the other countries around the world they make money....
If it wasn't for many wine lovers 90% of the french vineyards would be closed.

 

[tommy_boy]

Yes... and I would also go as far as arguing that wine can become a very personal thing too.

I'll take it a step further and propose that it wine is simply, absolutely personal.


This thread could be 100 pages long, which is fine enough, IMHO.

 

[rooster133]

Rooster there is a nero d'avola that must be drunk cold,it is called fiammato,this could be intresting for you
cheers

:bananalama: Interesting indeed!! Would love to try it. Sounds perfect for a warm summer day. Will look it up!

Interesting??????
Oh JJ, come on mate. Just for starters ever heard of a little thing called Penfolds Grange? Just do a search for international gold medal winning Australian wine, you may be somewhat surprised.
Col.

I'm guessing South Australia would be a few thousand miles too many from Asti! LOL

I'll take it a step further and propose that wine is simply, absolutely personal.

This thread could be 100 pages long, which is fine enough, IMHO.

So true. In the end whenever the senses are involved, it's naturally a subjective experience.

 

[trailboss99]

Quote:
Originally Posted by trailboss99
Interesting??????
Oh JJ, come on mate. Just for starters ever heard of a little thing called Penfolds Grange? Just do a search for international gold medal winning Australian wine, you may be somewhat surprised.
Col.

I'm guessing South Australia would be a few thousand miles too many from Asti! LOL

Sorry for confusing you roo, that was in response to the below from JJ, not the post directly above mine. I did not notice the use of the word in that post until you pointed it out.

australian (Shiraz is a good example, gallino, not bad), spanish, portuguese and even a few californian wines can be interesting at times

Col.

 

[rooster133]

Tb, no, no confusion at all!! I know what you meant... Mine was just a little joke in response to your statement and JJ's ultra-conservative views. I was being sarcastic... Grange is a stunning wine, but alas, since it doesn't come from the northwest of Italy JJ might be inclined to think you know nothing about wine for even mentioning it... :SLEEP:

 

[JellyJoe]

My favourite wine is swedish sake. It is a matter of personal taste, so please nobody discuss my likings, just express yours or it will be off-thread infraction (Red Alert).
Only up to 10 commas per thread or off-thread infraction, who knows more than me makes off-thread infraction.
100km is nothing when you see it on a 1:1000.000 map, Asti and Cuneo are just different names for the same place. The wines produced in that area are all the same wine, just a matter of personal taste.
Gotta love noobs

 

[Mobius]

I'm not too big on getting hooked on a name. I like the smalltown stuff like Primitivo Del Salento. I picked up a great red out of Waiblingen Germany a few years back. Can't remember the name of it for the life of me though. I remember that the label was a watercolor painting though.

Wines are a personal thing I think. Having grown up in Napa with the Gallo familly, I've learned that the good stuff is not usually sold in a liquor store. Look around and you'll find a good supplier for what you need.

As for cost ... That shouldn't be a determining factor as to the quality of the wine. It's what you think is palatable. Everyone is different and reacts to the flavors differently. I know that one of Elizabeth II's favorite drinks only costs about $10US per bottle. Cheap and reeeaaaly good (it's Harvey's Sherry... in case anyone was curious).

I like wines from Southern Italy, France, and Germany (and one or two from the US and AUS). Other's like wines from Argentina and Chile. Point is to try a few and get what suits your tastes. Don't listen to the hype. Remember...even the best wine tastes like crap if the company is bad. (except for Chianti...can't figure that stuff out. Always tastes bad to me.)

 

[d4m.test]

if you like the primitivo,you should like also the nergoamaro,but good wines from the south are something quite new,in the past the wine from the south was just ''vino da tavola''.
now they growed up with the quality and they started produce great wines,especially sicily,but puglia and calabria are improving every year.

 

[Mobius]

Sicily is getting better with the vino. Was in Catania last year and had a wonderful local wine while having dinner with friends in a little tucked away place in Motta.

 

[d4m.test]

from sicily donnafugata is one of my favourites you should try it

 

[Shadow88]

I'm throwing my hat in this one....I live in Italy. Southern Italy. I drink a good bit of wine, and have to come to like some, find too damn many overrated/overpriced. Damn shame. Wine is a VERY personal thing. So, if I like something, that doesn't mean you'll like it. I didn't like red wine at all when I got here in 2007. Now I love it. I drink Scotch too, something I thought I never thought I'd do. Here are some of my favorites....

Rioja from Spain- love them...the reservas and gran reservas deserve some attention. VERY underrated.

Sagrantino di Montefalco- good luck finding this stuff.....but you'll be glad you did.

Soave Superiore- some of the best white wine from Verona, in my opinion......maybe even Italy....

Taurasi- how Aglianico should be made......some of southern Italy's best and most serious reds....

Barolo- 'nuff said.....

Barbaresco- love it for the price....

Brunello di Montalcino- good, but overrated and overpriced. I'd rather have a 40 dollar bottle of Rioja any day than a 40 dollar bottle of Brunello....but a $40 bottle of Brunello is just getting started.....

Nero D' Avola- fell in love early on and kinda lost my taste for it, but for the $$ a great bargain.

Chianti classico- I have found myself buying this more than the Nero D'Avola as of late....like it....alot. And it can be had for a great price, too!!

Fiano- great easy drinking white from southern Italy. Got some great wineries out here cranking this stuff out, and it goes fast.....especially when you get the ladies out there.....

Fallanghina- another great white from down south. I drink this when I can't find Fiano......or when I need somehting a little bit drier than Fiano....

OK, I think that gets me at least started. I haven't tried French Bordeaux yet. I have seen some of the price tags and about fell over. I'm sure there are bargains to be had over in that region, but am too busy trying all this wonderful Italian and Spanish wine....I haven't tried California wines yet. Why should I- I live in Italy!!!

 

[maxlawbr]

Sorry for my late reply in this discussion.

But I totally, 110% agree with JJ.

Awesome wines, French and Italy. Bordeaux and Piemonte.

Very good wines, Spain and Portugal.

Good, new world.

I love Di Lenardo Italian and Roquefort, French.

 

[rogerwine]

Having gagged through JJ's immense ignorance of the rest of the worlds wines I just have to reply. I am in the wine busines and have been for 34 years. I have spent a lot of time in France and Italy, Spain and Australia. And I sold the wines of all those countries and more. I have been collecting wines even longer, 40 years and my cellar includes Bordeaux some Burgundy some Italian, some Rhone, some Spanish and a lot of Cal;if. and Oregon wines. I have roughly 1440 bottles collected.To say that only France and Italy make great wines is total B.S.. In 1973 and 1999 Wines from Napa bested some of the best wines of France, 2 times out of 2, made from the same grape types. That is fact and history. But the issue isn't what each individual wants to call the best wine, the issue is if you truly enjoy wine and have an open mind and a good palate, you can easily enjoy both a Bordeaux and a Napa Cabernet on different nights and still have a peak experience from both. Right now French Bordeaux s are in deep shit because beyond some of the growth wines quality and demand are dropping like a Champagne bottle dropped from the Eiffel Tower. They have simply priced themselves out of the market and really no-body cares. Not even the French government Anybody with any deep knowledge of the world of wine will scoff at the absurd arguments that any counties wines are only the best wines. This is ignorance at it's highest calling. There are great and delicious wines from everywhere and many at tremendous value, just like Italian wines used to be. And this is a golden era for the worlds wine consumers. The only thing that always seems to get in the way of people enjoying wine is these tired old arrogant arguments "That these wines are only the best wines", when in fact it is each persons taste preference that will determine their"Best Wines".
In Vino Veritas,
Rogerwine

 

[genuine-fakes]

for a french white it's got to be a sancerre.
spain a rioja crianza,
try the greek tsantali whites as well, gorgeous.. or the rose in the mateus shape bottle