I just find it amusing that the same people who might talk shit about rep owners will go and rave about the new homage watch they got on ebay. When we all know, a lot of those homage watches are nothing more than sterile or rebranded reps.
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Are Gen watch forums in denial when they seek after "homage" watches?
- Thread starter Strodda
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Sterile or rebranded watches are not in violation of intellectual property rights.
There is a Hyundai sedan that sure looks like a Jaguar sedan. But it's a Hyundai. Homage to Jaguar or properly branded by Hyundai? Pretty sure it's the latter.
There is a Hyundai sedan that sure looks like a Jaguar sedan. But it's a Hyundai. Homage to Jaguar or properly branded by Hyundai? Pretty sure it's the latter.
well, it's kinda like raving about a non-alcoholic beer (when deep inside you crave that gen "insert favorite beer here")... People like to conform to what society thinks it's ok regardless of what they truly want. If a poll took place and they were asked on wether or not they would venture to our world if no one frowned on it... Yes they would. They would sell their homages, invictas what have you for our stock. Even simpler if we did a sweep of IP addresses and cross checked them with trf or wus I'm willing to bet the whole lot of them are lurkers...
I understand that. Im not thinking about the legal aspect of it. But why do they talk trash about this...
and then they go out and buy this...
Theres nothing wrong with liking reps, but just admit it.(not you guys here)
haha, you're probably right.
Ive never owned any expensive gens. But I've got my eye on a white baton SA. Costco actually had one, $4300. I jokingly turned to the wife and said, Im gonna get that one! She leaned over and said, "sure". Im shocked she actually didnt care. I will have it soon, but I will also have a shit load of reps. To me, gens are for keeping and cherishing. Reps are for buying, using and selling... like baseball cards, we just wanna swap and get new ones all the time. Cant necessarily do that with $5k watches.
If they buy homage watches, they like the designs and are simply sensitive to IP rights.
If they don't go that far, they are snob posers, IMO.
If they don't go that far, they are snob posers, IMO.
I came across many of them before i joined the repforums, now i know how to stay in line. I was often surprised about their reactions :facepalm: its like many of them are stockholders in the major brands. Truly ridiculous, Like kindergarten kids fighting.
I do feel they are deluding themselves in so many ways. Your typical Rolex is generally bought for status. So any time you see a watch that looks like a Rolex you will assume it is unless you can actually get close enough to see the print on the dial which is incredible hard. There is a guy in my class that appears to be wearing a Rolex but even when sitting behind him I have yet to be able to see the print. All I know it could be a homage and it would be "tricking" everyone that sees him with it on.
The entire watch industry is based on status. I'll be at a brunch on Sunday , where there will be people wearing $100k Watches. I'll be the smart ass sporting my AP Panda rep. Will anyone notice ? No way. As a matter of fact , the GM always looks to see what I am wearing. He usually sports his Rolex Milg. So you see , while many of us own , or can own GEN's, it's a joy to pay 10% and spend the balance on my kids.
A quote from one of the idiots over at watchuseek: "Regarding Cobras; as mentioned before I think these are OK, as long as they are pretty much identical to the 'real' thing, ie with a V8 engine, etc. The Cobra replicas only really exist because the original car is very rare and sought after; the high value the original car can achieve is only down to its' collectable status and racing history. It is different for example to something like a watch with a tourbillon, which is massively valueable due to it being very complex to engineer and create.
A fake watch is an entirely different thing. At the end of the day a Rolex/'Ling/Patek etc. is a very fine and handmade instrument. When you buy such an item you are getting something that looks nice, with the immense satisfaction of having something hand made and beautiful; the price and value reflects that. A fake watch with the Rolex crown does not have anything like this; if you take a fake Rolex and remove the crown, you have essentially a basic watch. A Rolex with the crown taken away is a still a finely hand made instrument. Just like taking away the badges on a good Cobra replica; if it has the right engine, then it will be the same as a 'real' Cobra. Then again they are not cheap anyway!
Buying a fake watch is a waste of money; a Cobra on the other hand is different, because if it has the V8 engine and everything else, then it is like the real thing. Indeed I believe some of the replicas are so good they are authenticated by Shelby himself; something no respecting Swiss watch maker would ever do to a replica of one of its' watches made in the far east.
And of course the 'good' replica watches are quite expensive, which is just daft really. Why by a fake for the same money as an original? I've seen fake Ferraris with a Toyota MR2 donor car costing more than real Ferraris!"
A fake watch is an entirely different thing. At the end of the day a Rolex/'Ling/Patek etc. is a very fine and handmade instrument. When you buy such an item you are getting something that looks nice, with the immense satisfaction of having something hand made and beautiful; the price and value reflects that. A fake watch with the Rolex crown does not have anything like this; if you take a fake Rolex and remove the crown, you have essentially a basic watch. A Rolex with the crown taken away is a still a finely hand made instrument. Just like taking away the badges on a good Cobra replica; if it has the right engine, then it will be the same as a 'real' Cobra. Then again they are not cheap anyway!
Buying a fake watch is a waste of money; a Cobra on the other hand is different, because if it has the V8 engine and everything else, then it is like the real thing. Indeed I believe some of the replicas are so good they are authenticated by Shelby himself; something no respecting Swiss watch maker would ever do to a replica of one of its' watches made in the far east.
And of course the 'good' replica watches are quite expensive, which is just daft really. Why by a fake for the same money as an original? I've seen fake Ferraris with a Toyota MR2 donor car costing more than real Ferraris!"
It's a good point. In the end one could argue that the design itself is as much an original creation that belongs to its owner as the logo or brand name. Yet some people are quite happy to rip off the former but not the latter. Just because they can. I guess people have different standards in terms of what they see as acceptable, ethical, moral or in their propensity to follow rules and laws.
This kind of reminds me of an international eBay seller I dealt with last month on a $2000 purchase (not a watch)... When I asked him if he would consider under-declaring the value of the item a little bit for custom purposes he went berserk at me, called me a criminal and said he'd refuse to do any business with me. I see he still hasn't sold the item yet, or any of his other items. Yet he's probably fine with that, safe in the knowledge that he's a straight up citizen who does the right thing. Fair enough.
lol, are we now blaming people for wearing homage watches?? :lol:
I can understand that some people just don't want to do anything illegal, and prefer buying a sterile watch over a rep. That's not a point of view I share, but I can understand.
I can understand that some people just don't want to do anything illegal, and prefer buying a sterile watch over a rep. That's not a point of view I share, but I can understand.
I don't think it's so much blaming them but the holier than thou attitude. Homage is still based on and built on the same factories.
Just found it so ironic how the person was saying that buying reps is bad but buying a cobra rep is fine as the real thing is unaffordable. I mean really...
Fellas in my hiatus, during the gen phase of my WIS'ness I spent a fair amount of time on TRF. I am convinced that most of those blokes, as far as I am concerened are a lot like the golf tosser who is all about the puff, the "look at me, me, me, me and some MORE ME" and shoots a cheating 98. It is a lot like highschool really, a click, a group of guys who feel power in numbers and justify to each other the stupid money they spent on Rolex's and all that that incompasses. Get a TRF'y 1 on 1 and I doubt he would has the stones to say shit about shit...put him in a crowd of lay people and no one is gonna know WTF ROLEX he has on and could give 2 shits..tell that crowd this tosser spent $X on this Rolex and they would think he is a dumbass...but put him on TRF and PUFF PUFF and some MORE PUFF...but the same can be said for most anything any given forum is about...
Ok but I wouldn't generalise... I have been active on gen forums for a lot longer than rep ones and have made some great friends there, have attended plenty of GTGs, etc. Most of the members there are just like rep forum members: they share a passion for watches and are genuinely good guys. In my view the wankers are a minority. I remember a couple of years ago some poor bugger made a post about buying a rep for fun while holidaying in Greece. He didn't just get flamed. He got torched to death by a bunch of morons. But while those morons are loud and opinionated, they don't represent the entirety of the gen watch collectors community. Far from it.