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Are all rep guys this flaky??

Fidhle007

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I should have been more clear from the beginning, I know this. The problem I have is that I went well over and above what I had planned to do already. We had agreed on a price of $1200 for the completed watch with gen dial, crown, insert and SA3135 movement. He then asked if he could send me a gen crystal to be installed and would pay for the extra labor and I agreed. I ordered a bezel puller (those things are not freaking cheap!) so I could swap crystals without effing anything up and waited for the arrival of the crystal.

The crystal he sent was the worst thing I've every seen, the LEC looked like it had been scratched on by a kindergartener with Downs... I should have waited to get the crystal before ordering the puller and disassembling the case but I was trying to do everything in a timely fashion so it was too late. The bum crystal was no fault of his though so I figured why be a dick about it and put everything together and took the photos. I had told him I would install Clark hands but I couldn't find the set I thought I had so I installed a set of gen hands instead. The gen hands weren't pristine like the Clark hands were and didn't lume as strong as the dial (as is often the case I find) so I took lots of pictures and was very clear about what he was getting. I was fully prepared to offer a discount anyway due to the insert being worn and the winding issue but he immediately asked for a refund.

The offer of a refund had never been on the table, I simply offered him the option of paying half down and half when the watch was assembled, it never occurred to me that a "test drive" was even an option. I never sell things with a warranty but I will be entirely fair about what I'm selling and try to be as clear as humanly possible about the flaws in what I'm offering.
 

revhrd

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damn what effing whiners. Your due diligence is apparent, and either buyer pays in full for it or you list it here or elsewhere for what you think is fair and if it sells for less than the original agreed upon price, deduct the difference from the buyer's first half...

It's not like you pulled a bait and switch, shoot you showed the parts before hand. If buyer wants gen then buy gen.
 

Fidhle007

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damn what effing whiners. Your due diligence is apparent, and either buyer pays in full for it or you list it here or elsewhere for what you think is fair and if it sells for less than the original agreed upon price, deduct the difference from the buyer's first half...

It's not like you pulled a bait and switch, shoot you showed the parts before hand. If buyer wants gen then buy gen.
That was actually something he said:

"I also would eventually sell it when I'm ready to buy a gen, so if it had any issues I'd have to disclose them, and probably take a big hit on its resell."

I'm not sure how issues that I'm disclosing would be any different from issues down the road unless they were issues HE created?

Bottom line, I finished the watch and outlined these three issues:
Gen hands (a free upgrade from me) didn't lume as well as the dial
Insert was beat up
Movement didn't always want to wind unless the power reserve was almost completely depleted.

I offered solutions for all of these or a discount on the original price since he seemed so antsy to have the watch in hand. I could order some new Clark hands, I could order a new insert and I could send the watch to Katt ON MY DIME. His response was the above retardation...

I think at this point you guys are right. He told me "Dude, do the right thing and refund my money or I'm going through paypal. If you need time to pay me back that's fine, you can have until May 11. That's almost TWO WEEKS." Thanks buddy. I figure I'll give him until May 11 to pay up, find a new buyer or offer some viable solution and after that, I'm washing my hands of the whole situation and he can learn to jank around someone else from now on.
 

rsh

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I have had similar experiences. They have not been such high ticket items. I simply list the watch for sale and someone else takes it. That would be tought with a 1200$ watch though
 

Fidhle007

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It would be one thing if I hadn't gotten the deposit already, then sure, shame on me for not getting money up front. Here though, I don't really feel responsible to go over and above any more then I already have.
 

rsea

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Most buyers here and the other forums are great in my experience. Sounds like you've got a real mess on your hands though. Id suggest refunding the buyer and moving on

GL


(Sent from my iPhone)
 

boostin20

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If you decide to refund (and I strongly believe you shouldn't), you should figure out the cost of the labor and the hands you provided. Does it equal $600? If it doesn't, then it should. Just sayin
 

fixen

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The TC sold already (thank goodness) and I had the franken listed as parts in the parts section. I will post pictures later but I don't want to get too involved until the issue is sorted out.

Thanks for a nice tc sub :D
 

revhrd

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If you decide to refund (and I strongly believe you shouldn't), you should figure out the cost of the labor and the hands you provided. Does it equal $600? If it doesn't, then it should. Just sayin

+1
 

sub4me

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Nope, refund not due here. The buyer supplied most of the parts and told the modder what to do, modder went above and beyond and spent his own funds to get the job done, also supplied gen hands, took pics and pointed out every flaw giving the buyer ample oppurtunity to obtain diffrent hands and a diffrent crystal, then buyer refuses and now wants refund. F that and go ahead with you PP dispute and threatened deadline.

You do that buyer and I hope the modder exposes you and calls you out as a PP prick, piss off, accept the watch and pay up or lose everything.
 

rsh

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Nope, refund not due here. The buyer supplied most of the parts and told the modder what to do, modder went above and beyond and spent his own funds to get the job done, also supplied gen hands, took pics and pointed out every flaw giving the buyer ample oppurtunity to obtain diffrent hands and a diffrent crystal, then buyer refuses and now wants refund. F that and go ahead with you PP dispute and threatened deadline.

You do that buyer and I hope the modder exposes you and calls you out as a PP prick, piss off, accept the watch and pay up or lose everything.



Fidhle....did you supply the parts ?? or did he buy them and send them to you for assembly. If you supplied the parts, I can understand him backing out. Remember $1200 is a huge chunk and from what I can deduce, the sa335 you supplied is faulty in one way or another and that is the engine driving this thing. If so, you need to get a new movement for this guy and perhaps a new insert that is better. I quote the first post from page one

"The gen insert I got was poor, the know-flaky SA3135 was having an intermittent winding issue and the gen hands (not originally part of the package I offered, I thought they'd be a nice extra bonus) didn't lume as bright as the dial."
 

SecretAgentMan

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Fidhle....did you supply the parts ?? or did he buy them and send them to you for assembly. If you supplied the parts, I can understand him backing out. Remember $1200 is a huge chunk and from what I can deduce, the sa335 you supplied is faulty in one way or another and that is the engine driving this thing. If so, you need to get a new movement for this guy and perhaps a new insert that is better. I quote the first post from page one

"The gen insert I got was poor, the know-flaky SA3135 was having an intermittent winding issue and the gen hands (not originally part of the package I offered, I thought they'd be a nice extra bonus) didn't lume as bright as the dial."


RSH is right.........if I were paying $1,200 for a watch, the hands better illuminate the same as the dial markers & the movement better be flawless.......jmo tho.
 

sub4me

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I should have been more clear from the beginning, I know this. The problem I have is that I went well over and above what I had planned to do already. We had agreed on a price of $1200 for the completed watch with gen dial, crown, insert and SA3135 movement. He then asked if he could send me a gen crystal to be installed and would pay for the extra labor and I agreed. I ordered a bezel puller (those things are not freaking cheap!) so I could swap crystals without effing anything up and waited for the arrival of the crystal.

The crystal he sent was the worst thing I've every seen, the LEC looked like it had been scratched on by a kindergartener with Downs... I should have waited to get the crystal before ordering the puller and disassembling the case but I was trying to do everything in a timely fashion so it was too late. The bum crystal was no fault of his though so I figured why be a dick about it and put everything together and took the photos. I had told him I would install Clark hands but I couldn't find the set I thought I had so I installed a set of gen hands instead. The gen hands weren't pristine like the Clark hands were and didn't lume as strong as the dial (as is often the case I find) so I took lots of pictures and was very clear about what he was getting. I was fully prepared to offer a discount anyway due to the insert being worn and the winding issue but he immediately asked for a refund.

That was actually something he said:
Bottom line, I finished the watch and outlined these three issues:
Gen hands (a free upgrade from me) didn't lume as well as the dial
Insert was beat up
Movement didn't always want to wind unless the power reserve was almost completely depleted.

I offered solutions for all of these or a discount on the original price since he seemed so antsy to have the watch in hand. I could order some new Clark hands, I could order a new insert and I could send the watch to Katt ON MY DIME.


We already know the movement is crap (so thats on him cause thats what he wanted), the crystal is on him (he bought the F'ing thing), I'm not sure where the bezel was sourced, and you offered FREE GEN hands (maybe not the best lume but still gen, those ain't cheap). F him.
 

giobo

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We already know the movement is crap (so thats on him cause thats what he wanted), the crystal is on him (he bought the F'ing thing), I'm not sure where the bezel was sourced, and you offered FREE GEN hands (maybe not the best lume but still gen, those ain't cheap). F him.

The gen hands are in many cases over the gen insert...
I am waiting to hear the whole story so as to judge..
But that move shows a gentleman..
 

Fidhle007

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A little more backstory so everyone is one the same page:

I listed a bunch of parts for sale, both here and RG: A gen dial, lughole case and an SA3135 movement. All as is, no warranty but I tried to be very clear about the condition of the parts. I specifically mentioned the winding issue on the movement AND the fact that I had suffered one broken stem already. I stated that I tried to fix this but pointed to the no warranty/as is bit just in case.

The sum total of the parts was $1075 and this did not include a bracelet, insert or case. The buyer in question asked me about a package deal and about the possibility of me assembling it and after some haggling we landed at $1200 assembled with a gen crown, gen insert and clark hands. I think I personally paid $100 for the insert and around $50 for the crown so when I threw in the gen hands to offset the beat-up insert I thought he was getting a hell of a deal...

In the end, I owe the dude something. I listed parts and he paid for them but the runaround is ridiculous. I think at this point it's $1200, I'll give him a period of time to pay up and if he doesn't, I'll have to relist.
 

rsh

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Well then with that explanation, its his baby :)
 

rsea

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RSH is right.........if I were paying $1,200 for a watch, the hands better illuminate the same as the dial markers & the movement better be flawless.......jmo tho.

Keep in mind its common for gen rolex to have mismatched lume. Is it fair to hold a rep modder to a higher standard than rolex?
 

Fidhle007

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Can you guys see this pic?

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