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About the 3 cheapos you bought, you can try selling them.
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Are ALL $100 Pam's absolute JUNK?
- Thread starter jpomles
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I'm very HAPPY with mine...
Here's my 3 $100.00 REPS.
47mm MM305 for $78.00, 44mm PAM005 Logo $110.00, 40mm PAM241 $100.00
The 305 is 6 months old. The Logo is 2 years old and the 241 is 3 years old.
NO problems at all!!!!
Are they "spot on" perfect? NO WAY!! Do they look good and my wrist? _ELL yeah!
Most people have never heard of the Panerai brand. No one has ever asked me if they are GENS. If they did, I'd proudly say no and explain how much I love the brand but haven't coughed up the coin for a GEN just yet.
BTW, the vendors who I bought them from are GONE. But who cares. WHEN they die, and they will, I'm planning on getting a new engine for them from one of our Trusted Dealers and replacing it myself.
So for $300.00 I have 3 very nice and very fun time pieces.
And... for all of you who spend serious coin on your REPS.. I love them!!! Take lots of pics.. They INSPIRE me.
Here's my 3 $100.00 REPS.
47mm MM305 for $78.00, 44mm PAM005 Logo $110.00, 40mm PAM241 $100.00
The 305 is 6 months old. The Logo is 2 years old and the 241 is 3 years old.
NO problems at all!!!!
Are they "spot on" perfect? NO WAY!! Do they look good and my wrist? _ELL yeah!
Most people have never heard of the Panerai brand. No one has ever asked me if they are GENS. If they did, I'd proudly say no and explain how much I love the brand but haven't coughed up the coin for a GEN just yet.
BTW, the vendors who I bought them from are GONE. But who cares. WHEN they die, and they will, I'm planning on getting a new engine for them from one of our Trusted Dealers and replacing it myself.
So for $300.00 I have 3 very nice and very fun time pieces.
And... for all of you who spend serious coin on your REPS.. I love them!!! Take lots of pics.. They INSPIRE me.
I can say the same thing for 3 year old Rolex reps. But I can not say the same thing about the Pam's I have recieved. The one quick release mechanism has already popped out. First time replacing the strap. So never even put that one on my wrist. The metal bracelet that came with the GMT doesn't close on one side but the dials are so thin and cheap that I wouldn't wear just becasue of that. The 111 is OK at best. Very impressive BLUE AR. What is that?? I agree though, the folks that spend in the upwards of $500 plus have very nice looking pieces and don't talk about the BS I am speaking of now.
Actually kind of funny, I bought a horrible Pam a few years back, and yesterday took the strap off of it because it is real leather and replaced it on the 111 that I got yesterday that was basically plastic. Glad I could use that finally.
I should have said hands not dials.
Oh yeah, the sausage dial is flat, I thought they had a little rise to them????
Actually kind of funny, I bought a horrible Pam a few years back, and yesterday took the strap off of it because it is real leather and replaced it on the 111 that I got yesterday that was basically plastic. Glad I could use that finally.
I should have said hands not dials.
Oh yeah, the sausage dial is flat, I thought they had a little rise to them????
I had a $100 pam in hands once for a cg pin polishing. I can't really say it was bad, but when you're used to handle more expensive ones, you just can't live with the differences in terms of quality.
I know what you mean about the blue AR
It needs to get removed asap
Regarding the straps, any rep strap will be of poor quality. Getting a true good one will boost the look and feel of your watch.
I know what you mean about the blue AR
It needs to get removed asap Regarding the straps, any rep strap will be of poor quality. Getting a true good one will boost the look and feel of your watch.
@jpomles, do all $100 pams absolute JUNK? I think its not really happen to me. I had bought 4 pams, all of them are on $90-$120 range. You can see some of them that i just bought this week here : pam 292 & pam 203
All you need to do is more patience to buy reps, choose more carefully, just buy one that has a WYSIWYG photos for the items. Never get rush, coz it will just give you a rush heart attack
All you need to do is more patience to buy reps, choose more carefully, just buy one that has a WYSIWYG photos for the items. Never get rush, coz it will just give you a rush heart attack
I've bought a few PAM reps around the $100 range. I thought they were okay, until I bought a couple DSN reps in the $300-500 range. Now I understand what all the fuss is about. The cheaper ones just don't have the same build quality and sturdy feeling that the more expensive ones do. You definitely get what you pay for.
I could see how someone would be completely happy with the cheaper reps if they have never compared them to nicer ones, but once you know, you know. You won't be as satisfied with them.
I could see how someone would be completely happy with the cheaper reps if they have never compared them to nicer ones, but once you know, you know. You won't be as satisfied with them.
Well crapola, I just got my first Pam, 111 hand wind from Robert. Dagger with beveled swan neck Asian6497. I like it. I have nothing to compare it to, but so far day one is done and I still like it. Original price $99.00. I bought it used with a different thick leather strap for $75.00.
I have a SS Submariner Rollie that is 7 years old. It has never been serviced. Paid only $200.00 for it. I wear it into AD's all the time. They even take it in the back and polish it for me. No one has even hinted it wasn't a Gen.
Sometimes you get lucky on a purchase.
@sesshin, then i think i should not start to buy higher price rep, so my current pams will stay nice and provide a deep satisfaction on me
Are all $100 PAMs JUNK? No.
Are $100 PAMs capable of passing as gens? Probably not, especially when the person inspecting it has seen, or owned, a gen PAM or two.
Honestly, if all you want is a manual wind Panerai rep, and live in an area where most of the populace have never even heard of Panerai, then PWC/T4D/Robert's $99 111 will suffice. But if you plan on wearing it often, it would be a good idea to get the movement serviced.
However, if it is an automatic PAM you're after, plan on investing at least $400-500 into a good one. That includes the cost of sending it out for servicing after you've decided its a keeper. The main problem with PAM, and other brand, reps is the condition and type of the movement in it. Servicing will usually put your Asian rep on par with the ETA counterpart.
This is where the price starts to rise, as an A7750 (the Asian workhorse that is capable of being nearly as good as the ETA7750 in some variations) movement alone costs over $100.
Another notable characteristic of gen PAMs, that practically no 'out of the box' rep has duplicated, is its lume application. Not only is the factory lume a standard Green, but it also quite weak compared to the gen PAM's powerful Aqua coloured Luminova application. So this will add another $120-150 onto the final price for any true PAM rep owner.
And then we get into all the nuances of each model and shortfalls of their reps, but those and their remedies are too many in number to cover here
Are $100 PAMs capable of passing as gens? Probably not, especially when the person inspecting it has seen, or owned, a gen PAM or two.
Honestly, if all you want is a manual wind Panerai rep, and live in an area where most of the populace have never even heard of Panerai, then PWC/T4D/Robert's $99 111 will suffice. But if you plan on wearing it often, it would be a good idea to get the movement serviced.
However, if it is an automatic PAM you're after, plan on investing at least $400-500 into a good one. That includes the cost of sending it out for servicing after you've decided its a keeper. The main problem with PAM, and other brand, reps is the condition and type of the movement in it. Servicing will usually put your Asian rep on par with the ETA counterpart.
This is where the price starts to rise, as an A7750 (the Asian workhorse that is capable of being nearly as good as the ETA7750 in some variations) movement alone costs over $100.
Another notable characteristic of gen PAMs, that practically no 'out of the box' rep has duplicated, is its lume application. Not only is the factory lume a standard Green, but it also quite weak compared to the gen PAM's powerful Aqua coloured Luminova application. So this will add another $120-150 onto the final price for any true PAM rep owner.
And then we get into all the nuances of each model and shortfalls of their reps, but those and their remedies are too many in number to cover here
As a counterpoint, I have read a fair number of threads here and on RG about the A7750 being unreliable. I have also read quite a few threads noting how reliable the basic 21J asian auto is. I may be wrong, but if I am right, and if reliability is a consideration (to me it is the biggest consideration), then more expensive options and not always better.
Any poorly assembled and dirty movement will be unreliable, and most of the movements in our reps are poorly assembled and dirty.
Think of it this way, even those expensive watches with ETA movements in them would be unreliable if they had not been fully cleaned, inspected, and oiled to spec before being sold to you. So sending your A7750 powered rep in for proper inspection and servicing will bring it up to par with an ETA powered watch - maybe even better since it has just been serviced (if you buy a gen that has been sitting around for a few years in some stock room, its oil will have begun to break down and it may give you trouble sooner than you think).
Good points wiz and drulee. I understand many of the movements in new rep watches are very dirty and need cleaning/lubrication.
With respect to the reliability issue, if the movements were equally clean, or equally dirty, do you think the 21J or the 7750 is more reliable?
Is one movement inherently more fragile (more susceptible to breaking down if it is dirty) than the other?
With respect to the reliability issue, if the movements were equally clean, or equally dirty, do you think the 21J or the 7750 is more reliable?
Is one movement inherently more fragile (more susceptible to breaking down if it is dirty) than the other?
The A7750, as it would basically be like an ETA 7750. I don't believe there is an ETA equivalent to the common 21J design.
There is a reason why the ETA 7750 is used in so many expensive Swiss watches, it was a great design and does very well what it was designed to do.
There is a reason why the ETA 7750 is used in so many expensive Swiss watches, it was a great design and does very well what it was designed to do.
The most 21j we have in our reps (the ones from NN or DG factories) are clones of Miyota movements from the 70/80s. These are very simple movements, but if you're looking after reliability, simple is good.
The swiss 7750 is a workhorse in the chornograph world, but still, it has much more parts, and the more parts you have, the most chances you have that something will go wrong.
The swiss 7750 is a workhorse in the chornograph world, but still, it has much more parts, and the more parts you have, the most chances you have that something will go wrong.