Any of you guys own GEN Pams?

[Jcgul]

How many of you guys own Gen Pams? I'm at a point where I can afford one, but my reps are so damn good, I feel like I may regret it. I have 111s, a 005, 364, 243, 253, and a 127....

any my of you guys have both the gen and rep and feel a bit of remorse and wish you bought a different gen since our PAM reps are so accurate? Thanks!

 

[Hawker789]

Yes have had many - I now stick to gen PAM's with more complicated movements (8 days etc) so models like 111 and 243's which are more or less super rep's I tend to stick to reps

Bear in mind you have to buy the right PAM too so that you don't loose too much money when you come to sell it on etc

Just my 2 cents


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[Pamtastic]

Yes have had many - I now stick to gen PAM's with more complicated movements (8 days etc) so models like 111 and 243's which are more or less super rep's I tend to stick to reps

Bear in mind you have to buy the right PAM too so that you don't loose too much money when you come to sell it on etc

Just my 2 cents


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+1
If you go gen best to buy one that's either not repped well or repped at all. Otherwise I'd have trouble reconciling the cost of a gen when the rep is 1/3rd the price and gets you 90-99% towards the gen.

 

[Polebear]

Same here. Just sold my Gen 111, just could not bear the idea of the noob v3 beeing around

 

[Gooda]

Yep, I have a 312 gen but Pam gen is pretty good. Cannot really tell ESP 111 unless u own gen or super familiar with watches

 

[joes]

I had a couple of Pam reps but in the end I bought a gen. Yes they were very good but at the end of the day I had the dough and got a good deal so why not. Have no regrets about owning the gen, how could anyone? Lol!!

 

[Jeane123]

Yes have had many - I now stick to gen PAM's with more complicated movements (8 days etc) so models like 111 and 243's which are more or less super rep's I tend to stick to reps

Bear in mind you have to buy the right PAM too so that you don't loose too much money when you come to sell it on etc

Just my 2 cents


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+1
Some of the reps like the 111 is just too good to not have. But the others go gen if you can

 

[dood]

+1
If you go gen best to buy one that's either not repped well or repped at all. Otherwise I'd have trouble reconciling the cost of a gen when the rep is 1/3rd the price and gets you 90-99% towards the gen.

1/3rd the price? More like 1/20th - 1/30th the price

 

[yodog]

I have a gen 111.... when you start with the gen then go rep it doesnt feel right... if you start with rep no point going gen on the same model.

 

[slaughterer62]

I started gen, then saw the reps, and could not justify the premiums anymore on the simpler gen PAMs. I traded or sold many, but I still have a few gen PAMs. There is still a difference between gen and rep PAMs that is enjoyable for a gen owner if you appreciate the details. But I think Panerai the company is going in the wrong direction.

 

[Hawker789]

There is another major point with Panerai which might be a bit controversial but the cost to make some of the models vs their retail price is jaw dropping and on a personal note, I can't justify the premium for very well repp'ed models. One memorable situation was when the 411-417 models came out and somebody opened their watch and found a simple 6497 movement without panerai bridges on the movement. You're buying into the brand.

Best way to go is with well modded / ETA implanted / relumed versisons

 

[slaughterer62]

Even the movement on the $20,000 Fiddy PAM 127 is a 6497, just incredibly modded.

 

[imajedi]

I bought this one and absolutely love it. No worries about reps.

 

[zocker4711]

I own and owned 1,2,3,10 dunno Gen's and also reps... I owned till yet only one gen PAM was the 005 the People they say there is no different btw Gen and Rep they lie in my Eyes... They make more Blah Blah and try to Compare the Watches with there Mind at an AD... They went to the AD with that PAM they wish that they had the GEN, put it off go into the AD and try to see the differences.

This doesn't work! Only if you tell the AD the truth and say them I have the Rep in my pocket can I compare them 1:1

I had in the last few years many Watches at my Desk, Rep and also Gen... And when I have Compare them 1:1 in my Hands, I must say I don't need an big expert to see which Watch is gen and which is Rep

The Biggest Prob on all Rep is the Steel... The Steel at the Reps will never be soooooo good as the Swiss Company's use...
Then it goes on with the Shape of the Case (Metal) you can see clearly with which Quality Machines the Swiss People Work... If we check then the inside you'll see differents too... Mostley they Finish from the Dial, Hands etc is much much better on the GEN

And these are only a few points what you'll see...

For Exsample take an GEN Rolex and an Good Rep... If you look 1:1 on the watches you'll see that the Gen and Rep have different Case Colors... The Gen looks more Greyish where the Rep has an Yellow/Brown touch...

On the Polished Cases as the PAM111 or 005 it's hard to see... But at my lovely PAM177 for Exsample with Ti Case you can see an big different in the Color btw Gen and Rep.

So so if you choose an PAM you must really think about that what some people already said here! The Movement!

this is an Part what I never will love on PAM... They have no own Manufactor Movements on the simple line Watches... They use an 6497 and also if they set some deco plates on these Movement, I give an Piss on that... The Simple PAM Watches are too expensive!!! It's an hype... And these Hype you pay with good $$$

So if you can afford an PAM without the thinking that you must sell here in 1-2Year again then you should go gen...

It's good to have both Worlds...

I do that so I buy the Rep wear it an longer Time and see which of these Watches is my Absolut Favorite...
And on these Watch I go gen

If you wanna have an more or less Guarentee that you get back your $$$
what you have payed for the Watch. Then go GEN on an Rolex there is no other Brand that is so stable in the Price.
Mostley you get after a few years more what you have paid for

 

[Uberschall]

I bought this one and absolutely love it. No worries about reps.

PAM 289, love it!

I have its other sibling, the PAM 233. :laugh:

 

[imajedi]

PAM 289, love it!

I have its other sibling, the PAM 233. :laugh:

The 233 is awesome. The purist in me often leaned towards the 233 with the idea a Panerai should always be steel. I just fell in love with the 289, couldn't stop thinking about how good all my zillions of brown leather straps would look with it, and then eventually found a really good deal and pulled the trigger. I must say, absolutely no regrets. Really love it.

 

[Maraach]

Interesting thread. I've got a gen 329, the rep bracelets aren't even close... Apart from that I have to agree with one of the others here the pam pricing is not right for what you get. On gen straps I sometimes forget which I'm wearing until I see the reflection off the crystal, or, sometimes until I take it off. I'm generally super fussy but I can't say I feel the difference in steel. Sorry, correction, I can't feel $12k difference in the steel. The extra PR is nice though.

Might be worth mentioning I get Swiss parts switched in, so that may make a difference..

The reps don't keep as good time. The gens do. Seriously can't get how my watch is spot on, or 1 second out after a week. That's crazy good. Once again, not $12k good though.

I have other watches at high price points but generally there is something to justify it... Rose gold for example..

Agree with the others here, next time id buy one that hasn't been replied well. I would have got a 270 if there wasn't so many problems with the 10 day movement....

 

[ShadyManc]

There are very few high-end watches where the retail price is anything other than scandalous vs the cost of manufacture, PAMs are no different. I prefer the ETA based movements, it saves on service costs and adds a tonne of flexibility in terms of where it can be serviced. I own only gens now, 000, 001Q & 590. I've owned just about every top PAM rep, I deliberately didn't get a rep 000, the DSN 001Q is average, the 590 is poor. Next up is a 372, which I'll get in December, thereafter a 587. None of the gens I'd buy are repped to a high level, with the exception of the zero, so I don't sit there thinking the gen money is a particular challenge vs rep.

 

[Bozz]

I started gen, then saw the reps, and could not justify the premiums anymore on the simpler gen PAMs. I traded or sold many, but I still have a few gen PAMs. There is still a difference between gen and rep PAMs that is enjoyable for a gen owner if you appreciate the details. But I think Panerai the company is going in the wrong direction.

+1

 

[dood]

There are very few high-end watches where the retail price is anything other than scandalous vs the cost of manufacture, PAMs are no different.

This is very true.