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Any breaking news from Greece elections yet?

Mr. Pap

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At 99,78 % of the votes counted

nea dimokrateia 29.66
syriza 26.89
pasok 12.28

What does this mean? Well most likely nea dimokrateia and pasok will cooperate and euro will be safe for the next weeks/months...

What does this mean for the Greek? Nothing at all. More taxes more measures more poverty...

I have promised a story, and you will have it tomorrow, many talks with the friends tonight and i didn't have the chance. But i will be back cause i see some of you are interested...
 

BADWIN BING

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Grim reading Mr.P. I knew things were bad in Greece, but little did I know the full extent until I watched a documentary on the situation last night. Things are dire out there aren't they.

Some of the stories were heart wrentching. Nurses who haven't been paid for eight months!!!

I sincerely hope that your country finds its feet again mate. Sadly, though, I can only see others going the same way.

Scant consolation P, but at least you're still in Euro 2012. Take care my friend.

Paul
 

wat44

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the only way out of this for greece is to accept that standards of living will be lower for years and just dig in, work hard and slowly get out of it

there are no magic wands

I hope this doesnt end in war, but history suggests otherwise
 

arcadia

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Right now for me, f@ck Greece. I only care about Mr. Pap and the rest of the Greek RWI members.
 

revhrd

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I may only be a dictator in avatar so here it goes...

Corruption exists in every facet of the world:school system, local, state national government. Some countries are better skilled at hiding these incidents. But it DOES NOT matter socialist, communist or whatever the fcuck we are here in the us. Point is it's a messed up situation that spun out of control based on overspending. We have seen the real estate bs here and that's MINISCULE to what Greece is going through let alone the elections and the ripple effect. I do not knock free enterprise I love it, yet when I see destitute families in my backyard due to manipulation of few (AIG, BOFA, WELLS...) and then other countries going through similar processes... Well I get saddened and pissed at the so called illusion of the power to the people. How many sacrificial lambs (families) have to be sacrificed in order for all of us as a collective wake up and force a change?

Mr.Pap I feel your pain more than I can express, I too come from a world of turmoil and to some degree here we take too much for granted. And yet change needs to happen here in mighty old us of A....

peace out...
 

BADWIN BING

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Right now for me, f@ck Greece. I only care about Mr. Pap and the rest of the Greek RWI members.

That's a strange statement to come out with. Do you think the Greek people want this? They didn't create this mess.

It's the incompetent pricks that have governed who are to blame and the innocent who are suffering the consequences.

Choose your words more carefully.
 

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It's certainly understandable that you'd be a little busy tonight Mr. Pap- thanks for your insight. :)
 

revhrd

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Bottom line is that the EU is responsible for this chaotic mess, they as a collective (even the world) became ENABLERS to Greece's spending habits. Sadly they all knew where the road led and did not give one F about it.

Mr.Pap I truly hope that there can be a peaceful solution, though I do not blame you Greeks if it went violent I too would be pissed off to say the least.
 

JC7

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The well educated americans....

They never understand that socialism is NOT communism. Where is the problem to have a working social economy ?...

But you americans think, he doesnt work he shouldnt get any treatment. So a doctor need 4 luxury mansion, :facepalm:. 1-2 would be also enough and he wouldnt die from giving a little....

But hey america is great, world leader with 3rd world health system where people go in a school to get free dentist treatment or the cool country was clear of debt. Now Bush and co sold america to china....

P.S. Germany, a social system is competing very well against the USA. even with 4 times less of living people and all time interference by copying and stealing company secrets from intelligence, also giving pressure for things that are better like the own gps system, america screwed us.......competition at its best :lolcina:

TheBattler didn't say anything about socialism being communism...

...and what's up with all the Anti-American sentiment? You're taking a few shots at US that's uncalled for. Most of the world right now is doing some rebuilding and having some of their own problems. That being said... chill out you're on a watch forum.
 

revhrd

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The well educated americans....

They never understand that socialism is NOT communism. Where is the problem to have a working social economy ?

You can do your work, build your company. But you have to pay good wages. All worker pay a little of their earning for social thinks like health system etc...


Give 100 Euro per month from 40 Million working people to people who cant work or are ill. Thats ok, people can live in a good way. Thats socialism, where is the problem ?

Socialism isnt give all away to other, that was the greece problem. Use money that wasnt there !


But you americans think, he doesnt work he shouldnt get any treatment. So a doctor need 4 luxury mansion, :facepalm:. 1-2 would be also enough and he wouldnt die from giving a little....

But hey america is great, world leader with 3rd world health system where people go in a school to get free dentist treatment or the cool country was clear of debt. Now Bush and co sold america to china....

P.S. Germany, a social system is competing very well against the USA. even with 4 times less of living people and all time interference by copying and stealing company secrets from intelligence, also giving pressure for things that are better like the own gps system, america screwed us.......competition at its best :lolcina:

Ok stereotypes....

At least we did not passively support a genocidal maniac.... Should I stop or keep going? Point is every nation has had and will have divided opinions (US:civil war, Germany:Hitler lol ok not a fair comparison how about a divided Germany fair enough?...) But my first sentence mirrors your entire post, you stereotype us, yet I can do the same only we did not persecute a race...

Point is every nation has it's flaws some more apparent than others, and no one really truly wishes that on another unless you are... Yep you got it Hitler...

As JC7 said, can't we all just get along?....
 

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I have a great idea, how about we keep this thread on track?

I think all of the bashing is really unnecessary, so let's all just stick to the subject intended by the OP (and very eloquently narrated by Mr. Paps).
 

wat44

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following on from currency moves earlier... equity markets like the result too
 

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In short a country stands for what it vote. So if we/you/i say this land.....its correct. That in every country live different people is also correct, but if the majority votes in that way, you have to deal with that.

And stereotypes always germans are nazis if they think/act differently than america or the rest of the world wants it. But hey its at least 67 years ago, by the way talking about genocide, every year in africa dying more than in ww2 or lets talk about american slavery a hell more people died often in absolute sick ways or killing all the natives. But a human live cant be count up. So just deal with the right now, but if you have no arguments you can act in that way no problem :D. But most people are ****** with the we are the best and we know best attitude....

Talking about stereotypes socialism doesnt work, he works if you dont spend to much to the wrong people/project. Also competition works, otherwise germany or other socialism countries wont be in the position they are. But america or americans that always talk about competing etc....have no clue whats going on behind the stage. Read more open minded and stop using Fox....

Like i said europe started an own gps system (galileo), america forced them to give them access and control or they will jam the signal or destroy with their space technique the system, what the **** ? Where is the right to do that ? Fighting in iraq, they should do if they want, but after war the new government was like a puppet, a lot of companies wanted to do business with them, what happend america gave pressure that french companies or companies like siemens dont got the contracts....hey very competing....or forcing countries to buy genetic modified food etc pp....its not stereotype thinking, its actual politics. Deal with it and stop talking about the history...

That there are living nice, friendly and open minded people, no doubt, but the problem is the exterior view of the majority ruling people !

cheers and now lets talk about greece
 

arcadia

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That's a strange statement to come out with. Do you think the Greek people want this? They didn't create this mess.

It's the incompetent pricks that have governed who are to blame and the innocent who are suffering the consequences.

Choose your words more carefully.

Not meant to offend anyone, certainly not our friends here from Greece (surely not Mr. Pap, of course). But the country with its appointed/elected government did this to themselves.

A once retired statesman told me: "We cannot always save the world. Sometimes, we only need to save ourselves."
 

JC7

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In short a country stands for what it vote. So if we/you/i say this land.....its correct. That in every country live different people is also correct, but if the majority votes in that way, you have to deal with that.

And stereotypes always germans are nazis if they think/act differently than america or the rest of the world wants it. But hey its at least 67 years ago, by the way talking about genocide, every year in africa dying more than in ww2 or lets talk about american slavery a hell more people died often in absolute sick ways or killing all the natives. But a human live cant be count up. So just deal with the right now, but if you have no arguments you can act in that way no problem :D. But most people are ****** with the we are the best and we know best attitude....

Talking about stereotypes socialism doesnt work, he works if you dont spend to much to the wrong people/project. Also competition works, otherwise germany or other socialism countries wont be in the position they are. But america or americans that always talk about competing etc....have no clue whats going on behind the stage. Read more open minded and stop using Fox....

Like i said europe started an own gps system (galileo), america forced them to give them access and control or they will jam the signal or destroy with their space technique the system, what the **** ? Where is the right to do that ? Fighting in iraq, they should do if they want, but after war the new government was like a puppet, a lot of companies wanted to do business with them, what happend america gave pressure that french companies or companies like siemens dont got the contracts....hey very competing....or forcing countries to buy genetic modified food etc pp....its not stereotype thinking, its actual politics. Deal with it and stop talking about the history...

That there are living nice, friendly and open minded people, no doubt, but the problem is the exterior view of the majority ruling people !

cheers and now lets talk about greece

google translate must be broken because I don't know what the hell you're talking about. ...but it seems like more anti-American rhetoric (unprovoked). ...I wish we still had the neg rep button.
 

Mekki

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yeah everything negative is anti american, cool story bro.

Maybe you learn german then you understand me better :lolcina:
 

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Wow. I thought the Germans were our friends.

My son spent a summer in Paris and made some friends. They all had these same beliefs about how cruel and unfair America is. We offered and paid for one to come and live with us the next summer and spent some time in the poorest areas of Dallas. He was amazed to find that our poor:
A). Mostly are able-bodied but don't work by choice
B). Lived in decent homes or apartments paid for by the government. (he believed there was no social assistance in America)
Had cars, televisions, cell phones, computers, cable, Internet, plenty of food, lots of cigarettes, and plenty of money left over for drugs.
C). He couldn't find one - and believe me he tried - who had ever been denied treatment at a hospital. Most complained they had to wait 5 or 6 hours to be seen, but admitted that only happened when they were in with the flu or a stomach ache.

He left with a much better understanding of what America is and how it works. Not to mention a love for corn-dogs and milkshakes!

In short - there has been a lot of BS spread about the cruelty of America throughout the world.

The fact is that both Germany and Japan would not have become the economic powerhouses they are were it not for the investments in both infrastructure and political direction made by the US after WW2.

Greece - I see no happy ending here. Sadly our politicians are following yours. And like Mekki, they think they can do it better and make it work.


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Mekki

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Wat has this got to do with USA?

Hint: nothing!

Nothing but someone well educated talked about socialism and fail....

its not all black n white. I was in america east/west coast i saw the homeless people....and with my own eyes dental service for people who cant afford in a sports hall....

America helped us ? Sure, but without any hidden agenda ? No, first show the world how they think the world should be. Second one, a country that works, can afford things, so new market for their products.

Third germany is a country without a lot of crude materials, so mostly the people and the world famous engineering saved themself....by the way inventing the first computer (Zuse), ci engine, tv (crt) (braunsche Röhre), aspirin, washing machine (Jacob Christian Schäffern) and so on youre welcome :D

But as we say in germany the loudest in the room is the weakest. It shouldnt get out of hand. But you cant say dumb socialism fails. If it is well managed it works and its more human than anything else...

you can have your opinion and add facts, but not just, germany was a nazi regime or everything negative about my country is anti american or to make fun about the language skills...i would be nosey if the cool batman can speak better german, french, spanish, than i can speak/write english....

Kind regards

and BACK to topic, anything else can be solved by pm, now lets talk Mr. Pap