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Another Great Transaction with Andrew (Trusty)

LedleyKing

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Great! Glad it worked out...i was surprised when you said he hadnt responded given how good he normally is about it.

And yeah, the in/out of stock thing is an unfortunate thing about this hobby that every TD deals with. I dont think they have the resources to really keep the site up to date with so much stuff going on. Emailing first asking if something available is also helpful because, if its not available, you can ask if there are other similar items they do have access to and sometimes theyll offer up stuff that isnt on the site yet (that has happened to me before where i ordered something newly released that wasnt even up on the site yet).

Another tip: Get on the TD website distribution lists (you can do it direct from their sites, just put in your email). Some of them change websites frequently (what they do after all isnt exactly legal lol) so that way you always have their newsletter emails in your box and you can click the link to their site vs having to search here for the new link or worse (def dont EVER recommend) searching google (will likely direct you to scam site). It also gives you insight into new releases and special offers/deals they run.
Hey Tim,

Thank you for the email for Andrew - got a response asap haha.

Just a question regarding your cartier 35mm. I've seen someone talk about their new BVF saying the following "they haven't fixed the floating "R" issue in the 35mm model. For me it wasn't very noticeable so I didn't mind . What bothered me tho , was the case shape and the lugs( which for me is what makes the gen so unique )". Can you also notice these issues?

Cheers again
 

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Hey Tim,

Thank you for the email for Andrew - got a response asap haha.

Just a question regarding your cartier 35mm. I've seen someone talk about their new BVF saying the following "they haven't fixed the floating "R" issue in the 35mm model. For me it wasn't very noticeable so I didn't mind . What bothered me tho , was the case shape and the lugs( which for me is what makes the gen so unique )". Can you also notice these issues?

Cheers again
If im being honest I didnt go crazy inspecting it and comparing every little bit to the gen, so no I didnt notice those issues, but again I didnt look very hard or spend a lot of time on that. I was getting a new watch and the wife wanted one. I gave her a list of options I thought would be nice (her first nice watch) and she picked the Cartier. I made sure the best version available was legit and bought it...simple as that lol.

Maybe 10% of people out there even notice the watch your wearing, maybe 20% of those people even know the different watch brands (outside of Rolex) and probably less than 1% of those people (1% of the 10%) can tell the difference between a horrendous $50 rep and the gen. When you get to the level of reps we play in, I would argue its like 1/10 of 1% of people that notice your watch, could actually tell the difference between rep and gen and that would be with them having both side by side and comparing lol. There are guys here that could tell by sight alone, but theyre part of that 1/10th of 1% and they most likely can only do that for a few brands and models they know well, and only if they were holding it in their hand (not from 3ft away in a social situation).

My philosophy has always been to buy the watch because you like the way it looks, the way it feels, etc and because it puts a smile on your face, not because it is a 100% perfect clone of the gen. Chasing perfection usually just results in disappointment because nothing in life is truly perfect.

That said, if it bothers YOU then dont buy it...If youre going to stare at the issues youve mentioned, and be bothered by it everytime you see it, then I wouldnt recommend buying that one. Theres nothing worse than noticing one flaw and then thats all you see.

You can read in the below article...the rep game has gotten so strong that even the "experts" cant tell the difference rep vs gen. "Watchfinder used to be able to identify about 80% of bogus time pieces by sight alone but now that's just 20%". Watchfinder is owned by the same company that owns Cartier, Panerai, IWC, etc etc (they own basically half of the big watch brands, the rest are owned by Swatch group and only a couple are still independent). So they are literally the experts and they cant tell when theyre on their workbench that its a rep, until they open them up...no one is going to be able to tell tiny differences in the case shape of that Cartier.

 

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To be honest, you are completely right. I've been doing too much research last few days and have read too many threads so I am just nitpicking now haha - at the end of the day as a whole BVF or 3K are both going to be amazing pieces.

You're advice has been most valuable so cheers again Tim! I'll be ordering today. Will send pics when arrived, lets hope there's no nightmare with customs
 

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To be honest, you are completely right. I've been doing too much research last few days and have read too many threads so I am just nitpicking now haha - at the end of the day as a whole BVF or 3K are both going to be amazing pieces.

You're advice has been most valuable so cheers again Tim! I'll be ordering today. Will send pics when arrived, lets hope there's no nightmare with customs
NP…

Yeah, please share pictures and let us know what you think when you receive it.
 

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To be honest, you are completely right. I've been doing too much research last few days and have read too many threads so I am just nitpicking now haha - at the end of the day as a whole BVF or 3K are both going to be amazing pieces.

You're advice has been most valuable so cheers again Tim! I'll be ordering today. Will send pics when arrived, lets hope there's no nightmare with customs
Oh, btw if you get the one with the quick change links and the extra leather strap: i looked up videos on the gen to see how to do the link change, quick change the bracelet, and how to get the strap on the deployment clasp (particularly strange, never seen a setup like that). The rep works exactly same way as gen so you can reference those videos.
 

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Oh, btw if you get the one with the quick change links and the extra leather strap: i looked up videos on the gen to see how to do the link change, quick change the bracelet, and how to get the strap on the deployment clasp (particularly strange, never seen a setup like that). The rep works exactly same way as gen so you can reference those videos.
Will definitely show pics. We've got a good little threat here going which can help others!

And yes ive seen those vids - heard the extra strap they send isn't too great. Will be ordering a navy crocodile strap so will try with that though
 
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great looking watch. I'm considering to get the same panerai.
im loving it so far, upgraded the strap to one i bought and then had distressed and color matched to the numerals

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Is this the one you purchased? ☝️
No, thats the PAM1441, I got the PAM441. I wanted the open case back and i liked the black on black hands better.

That one is great though, think the movement is newer/better IIRC

 

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No, thats the PAM1441, I got the PAM441. I wanted the open case back and i liked the black on black hands better.

That one is great though, think the movement is newer/better IIRC

This is definitely a very good looking watch. Now i really want it 😂
 

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No, thats the PAM1441, I got the PAM441. I wanted the open case back and i liked the black on black hands better.

That one is great though, think the movement is newer/better IIRC

Tim quick question. Do we checkout and proceed with payment before receiving QC pictures? Saw some people say they pay after QC pics, but on TrustyTime seems you pay for the product as initial step.
 

LedleyKing

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Yup, pay first then QC
Little updated guys:
Placed the order 7/28
First QC pics received: 8/1 (no GL)
Second QC pics received: 8/4 (will probably greenlight)
Andrew's communication till now has been great.

In the meter reading pic the watch has an "AA" sticker - I was under the impression these superclones are much better than the "AAA/AA" replicas? Bit confused what that means. Anyone have a clue what it means???

Also, Tim for your cartier santos are the screws at the back the same as the screws at the front? One is damaged on the front but maybe i can just swap one from the back.
 

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Little updated guys:
Placed the order 7/28
First QC pics received: 8/1 (no GL)
Second QC pics received: 8/4 (will probably greenlight)
Andrew's communication till now has been great.

In the meter reading pic the watch has an "AA" sticker - I was under the impression these superclones are much better than the "AAA/AA" replicas? Bit confused what that means. Anyone have a clue what it means???

Also, Tim for your cartier santos are the screws at the back the same as the screws at the front? One is damaged on the front but maybe i can just swap one from the back.
So im going to be zero help unfortunately lol

Not sure on the sticker or the screws. Im travelling right now so cant look at the Cartier to tell if the screws are the same.

If theres an issue with the screw I wouldnt accept the QC if I were you. Also, you can ask him for stuff like that if theres an issue(extra screws, etc) and hell include in the order
 

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So im going to be zero help unfortunately lol

Not sure on the sticker or the screws. Im travelling right now so cant look at the Cartier to tell if the screws are the same.

If theres an issue with the screw I wouldnt accept the QC if I were you. Also, you can ask him for stuff like that if theres an issue(extra screws, etc) and hell include in the order
haha no worries mate.

I think I'll GL as most of it is perfect. But good idea, I will ask for a spare screw.
 

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Btw…there are a lot of great TDs and they generally have access to the same stuff. So buy with confidence from any of the TDs on here. I dont want to seem like an advertisement for Trusty lol. Hes just who Ive always used, I believe in building relationships, and the long term value of that, and hes never given me a reason to go elsewhere.
Hi Tim. hope you have been well. Have had my cartier santos 35mm for a while now and it looks amazing no flaws. Only issue when I do not wear it for a few days it stops ticking until i wear it for a few minutes which means i have to reset it everytime I wear it. Any way this can be fixed?