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About to order NOOB PAM 372. N-series or P-series? Which one?

hughesj

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Could a custom movement ring be made? or is just in general incompatible?
 

Sirlordcomic

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Seems to be a new, or re-issue, 372 from V6F up on PT:

http://www.pure-time.com/product/pam372-p-11-v6f-best-edition-on-thick-brown-leather-strap-p3000/

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hughesj

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Looks like a re issue. Either that or they back tracked on a couple of things.
 

PeterRei

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No. it's new. Never saw such bad 372 since years.
That's not at all the quality I would expect from KW / V6F.
They are on the way to destroy their good name they built over the past 2 years with those rushed out new models.
 

Sirlordcomic

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What do you see different from current Noob?


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PeterRei

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What do you see different from current Noob?


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I don't know where to begin. Everything is different. Dial, hands, movement...
You can look at Zeitgeist for a detailed comparison.
 

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I don't know where to begin. Everything is different. Dial, hands, movement...
You can look at Zeitgeist for a detailed comparison.

Yes lol. Good answer.

What's up with the decoration!!!??? UGH.

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PeterRei

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Blued screws. Like in the very first batch of the 372 PT-version

One more fake jewel
 

Teris

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I don't know where to begin. Everything is different. Dial, hands, movement...
You can look at Zeitgeist for a detailed comparison.

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is Zeitgeist?
 

ALE7575

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Hi Peter Rei
Since Zeitgeist is a german forum and using german as language
Could you resume in English the main points of the Zeitgeist comparison?
Thanks in advance

ALE
 

Teris

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Regarding Zeitgeist, if you use Google Chrome as your browser, it translates the German to English for you -- very handy.

In short, this version is very poor. It appears that KW/V6 is just using leftover parts to throw together some PAM 372. I've been waiting for the ZF version, which will come sometime after CNY.
 

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Yet it could be useful to have something here as well and in english :)
 

PeterRei

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Hi Peter Rei
Since Zeitgeist is a german forum and using german as language
Could you resume in English the main points of the Zeitgeist comparison?
Thanks in advance

ALE

Hi Ale,
I'm trying my best finding the time to do so.
:)
 

PeterRei

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Regarding Zeitgeist, if you use Google Chrome as your browser, it translates the German to English for you -- very handy.

In short, this version is very poor. It appears that KW/V6 is just using leftover parts to throw together some PAM 372. I've been waiting for the ZF version, which will come sometime after CNY.

Yes, it's poor, but it's not made from left-overs. Google failed ;). What I was trying to say was:
What should a Maker do who managed to establish his reputation of a first class factory if he wants to sell a popular model as the 372, which has been made by at least 4 other makers, including noob?
He should try everything, and I mean: everything! to blow the competition away with a top product.
That was exactly what KW did - not...
The colour of the markers on the dial is completely wrong, so is the colour of the hands. Ridiculous wrong. The engravings on the dial are too thin, and that's the reason they look nicely deep (remember the old 'PureTime-version'). CG looks too flat, but I could be wrong here (the pictures are poor as always). The movement... I don't think in a first class Rep you can still use this kind of decorated movement... with blue screwheads, just like in the old PT-Versions... that flaw was corrected one month after the first batch came out. KW should have learned.
Everything in this watch screams 'Rep', if you compare it to the other models out there, it's very poor
From left to right: SF, Noob, KW; down: PureTime-version (SF V1?) and Certel (called 'H')

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It's hard for me to say, because I am (was?) a fan of the KW / V6F Panerais... But in this case, I would prefer every other model to the KW.
I don't know what's going on... look at the 587KW... it's horrible (as is the SF). Why? Why did they rush out 15 models the last week, with a titanium 338 made of brushed steel, with a nicely made movement with this stupid blued screws?
OK, let's end my rant ;)
 

Teris

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Peter, to clarify, I didn't mean that you said they used leftovers. That's what a TD told me. Sorry for the confusion. Google translated what you wrote quite well. :)
 

PeterRei

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Peter, to clarify, I didn't mean that you said they used leftovers. That's what a TD told me. Sorry for the confusion. Google translated what you wrote quite well. :)
OK, nice to hear, because I know google translating from chinese forums :rofl:
 

johnosx

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man :(

i wish we could get the 587 in good quality (appearance like kw505 for example).

Can we not team up and order 50 piece in perfekt quality? (i am sure we would get the required number of people together here!)

Has this ever been tried?
 

pkw2704

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my noob 372 just landed and I think its really nice will get pics up when chance