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A visual guide, difference between Noob-bk-Euro-Mbk-Twb subs

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Note some of these watches have mods to them such as recessed insert, shaved cg's, gen crowns and wm pearls. - These are all relatively cheap mods / easy mods. Please pay more attention of the crystal height, case, bezel, dial and so on then the mods.

Noob
Movement: a21j
Dial: Very good, noob dial
Date mag: 2.4
Price = $70 - 110

Date mag is to low, 2.4 mag.
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Date Font is good, but again the magnification is to low.
CIMG0011.jpg


Dial is a noob dial, so its very accurate !
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Bezel is pretty well cut, teeth are a little to high, but honestly who's really guna notice.
CIMG0014.jpg


Crystal is pretty low, unlike gen - this is a easy give away and a very hard thing to fix on a noob.
CIMG0016.jpg


Still... a great watch over all ! I can't say enough about an a21j noob sub !
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Bkmariner
(Note: the only watch listed here that comes w/ mods done to it, such as recessed insert and shaved cg's)
Movement: Swiss Eta
Dial: Very good, noob dial
Date mag: 2.4
Price = $350

Dial is good - noob dial used again (same as watch above)
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Another shot of the dial
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Date font is good, but mag is off again. - Same case as the noob sub so its to be expected.
CIMG0050.jpg


crystal height is the same as noob sub, so still lower then gen.
CIMG0056.jpg


Bezel teeth are higher then gen, same as noob sub post above - same case.
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Its a noob sub w/ eta movement and mods by BK... beautiful watch, still some flaws though.
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Eurotimez - TT, wrapped gold = (Same case as wm9)
Movement: Swiss Eta
Dial: Very good, noob dial
Date mag: 2.7
Price = $375

Date font is good, date magnification is .1 more the it should be - but still good
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Another shot of the date mag.
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Crystal height is good - much higher then noob cases.
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Another example of crystal being higher
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Bezel teeth are cut more centered like gen.
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Dial is noob dial, so very good detail to it.
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Mbk - M series - Gen bezel assembly (being sold by Eurotimez and wm9)
Movement: Swiss Eta
Dial: Very good, noob dial
Date mag: 2.6
Price = $450 - 550

Engraving is actually centered correctly !
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Another shot of engraving
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Crystal height is just like gen !
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Crystal height again
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Another example of Crystal height
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Gen bezel assembly :)
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Dial = noob dial, very accurate. Date mag 2.6 Finally someone got it right !
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Correct date font/ mag. - RolexRolexRolex engraving centered correctly !
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Twb
Movement: Swiss Eta
Dial: Average, unknown dial
Date mag: 2.6
Price = $250 - 300

Date font / mag is good - 2.6 magnification.
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Unsatisfactory dial ! - its crap ! - must change out w/ noob dial.
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Another shot of crap dial.
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Good crystal height, not as good as MBK-m series, but much better then noob subs.
CIMG0015.jpg


again crystal height - Not a bad watch to mod into a beauty ! but does need mods like new dial and cg's. (as do most other watches anyways)
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Hope this helps you get a visual idea of some of the differences between models and why the price varies so much.

Please add your own info also !
I know I didn't add a lot as my time today is limited.
But hopefully some time soon I'll make a nice comparison chart or something.
 
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Nice work and thank you!
 

seventhexile

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Visual guide to the different sub models

No worries my friend - hope it helps you out :)
 

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Re: Who has the best sub? - A visual guide !

Thanks Seven. Wish I had this about a month ago. More info never hurts though.
 

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Re: Who has the best sub? - A visual guide !

Very good post.. I'm sure this will help the community a lot! :)
 

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Very good comparison you did there. Nice to see someone point out all the little nuisances that replicas come with. Thanks for the info.
 

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Glad you all enjoy..
Just want to clear something up..
maybe a rolex expert can chime in and help.

There seems to be some confusion about the MBK M- series, and the wm9.

A lot of ppl have said the mbk M- serial is the same case used by wm9..
(also chris @ Eurotimez claims he gets his MBK cases from the same factory wm9 does)

tribal said:
I compared it to WM9 and it's all the same....
Also the shape and construction of this Case is the same as WM9
So I think both Cases came from same Factory
Only difference is the engraved Rehaut...
http://replica-watch.info/phpBB3/viewto ... =5&t=42886

However.. some ppl disagree w/ this statement.

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Below in my next comment is a link from BK about why he disagrees.
 

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2 Links I found showing bk disagrees w/ the PT(wm9)
being the same case as the MBK Euro
http://repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=354 ... uromariner

The 'mbk' watch I have a picture of is this one (Link below)
http://www.watchmaker9.tv/products/ROLEX-SUBMARINER-16610-2008-M-SERIAL.htm

I was told it was the same one, Chris @ Eurotimez sells -
Either way I have no preference about who sells what
just wanted to give information
(honestly If they are different cases.. then my watch is worth more money :), but I'm trying to stay impartial.. and just present the facts and well known members opinions)

Bk says their different cases
Tribal and Chris say their the same..

Wish there was another review.
 

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what's the different between good and bad dial? can someone point it out to the noob *point finger at me*
and i've been reading, about the cg, but can figure out the right shape, please help me :D
 

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Great work SE. This is the sort of basic comparison article we need more of. It still amazes me how good the noob realy is for the price.

Seventh: where do you stand on the whole "the noob has changed" thing? What changes (for the worse) have you seen in the noob? Do you feel the case has gone down hill? If so, what are the points that have got worse?


Regards, Col.
 

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WM9 v2 is the best ever 16610 replica without a doubt... and it can't be even compared to other versions... it's ridiculously better in every possible way... including Super Luminova dial (identical luminous abilities with gen).

I seriously doubt case was the same... and the v2 case is definitely NOT the same. Not even close... v2 has perfect crown guards.

Good work though... but I think it doesn't make any sense to buy any other versions than WM9 v2 anymore... unless you want a cheapie and in that sense Asian Noobmariner can't be beaten.
 

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Tribal commented about the watches on RWG.. Figured it would be good to post what he says as well.

Tribal
"First Datefont on the Noob,MBK etc. is completly wrong
Datenumbers are too big and wrong shape...
Also the Datewindow has slightly wrong shape on the Noob Dial...
this makes a huge effect in magnifiaction..
When you look ate a gen one there you can see much more of the white area of the date wheel...
Also the Crystal is not really much high on a gen one..."

http://www.rwg.cc/members/visual-guide- ... 90933.html


Also as By-tor said WM9 is the way to go. :)
If you can afford it!
 

seventhexile

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trailboss99 said:
Seventh: where do you stand on the whole "the noob has changed" thing? What changes (for the worse) have you seen in the noob? Do you feel the case has gone down hill? If so, what are the points that have got worse?
Regards, Col.

First off forgive me for the crap pics - these were taken a while back.

............................
Well - I've always stuck by the "noob" sub.
But first some background for those who dont know what a noob sub is.

The F5 serial subs (known as noobmariners) were produced by a factory. - for the price they were / are the best for the money, (on the cheap end)
The dial is spot on, the case has a few flaws but can easily be fixed up to look like a real beauty.

The problem however is in the name.
The noob name started lending its self to watches that were not F5 serials..
PPl were getting watches from other factories, and dealers / members were selling them as noobs.
(Now .. not to say everyone was doing this to make $$.. many ppl simply got onto these forums.. and every time they heard about a low end sub that was a pretty good imitation it was called a noob..)
PPl seemed to forget that Noob subs are specific models from a specific factory.

Whats worse is lately... other factories have been stamping a F5 serial on non noob subs !!!!

This is whats really tarnished the name..
No a days... its hard to tell if you really getting a noob sub..
it was bad enough when ppl just called any submariner less then $150 a noob sub.
But now.. because of the serial .. it was extremely hard to tell if the factory was slipping up.. or if it was coming from a different factory all together.


Let me give you a visual example.
These are both Noob F5 series subs.

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the one on the right however..
is a real noob and the one on the left is a imitation.

This is the real noob sub:
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This is the fake noob sub:
Notice the larger date font, to bold
Not to mention the cyclops was way off center.
The watch is self is larger, as is the dial.
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Also the cg's are off (though this can be fixed w/ sanding.. as the noob sub should have the crown guards modded anyways.)
Noob on the right - fake on the left.
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And finally - the noob sub has better bezel then the impostor.
Again noob is on the right, fake noob on left
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This is the real problem w/ the noob sub.
The case is still great, the problem is are you going to get a real one or not !!!
 

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...I think the most visible crap on that "fake-sub" is the rehaut shape and thickness. it´s just ridiculous...
Rehaut on the left is conical, crystal has no thickness (seeing from the front) around the bezel insert, and the rehaut is completely wrong. Canal Street rep...

Cheers,
Spirit.
 

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can anyone suggest a dealer that can provide the "real" noob. It might be that the dealers might not even know if they're getting the real one or not, but I'm sure some dealers know who they get their product from.

thanks.

By the way: great review, very helpful
 

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Thanks buddy,

As a certified enthusiast of subs validated through my obsessive tendency to buy every high-end sub that debuts on the forum i certainly appreciate your references.

Matt
 

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Spirit said:

...I think the most visible crap on that "fake-sub" is the rehaut shape and thickness. it´s just ridiculous...
Rehaut on the left is conical, crystal has no thickness (seeing from the front) around the bezel insert, and the rehaut is completely wrong. Canal Street rep...

Cheers,
Spirit.

Exactly !
$30 canal street sub being sold by dealers / members as a noob sub, and whats worse..... it has the F5 serial number !

How the hell is a new member supposed to know its not really a noob sub.
The seller says it is, the serial number says it is...
and sure as hell when I first got into reps - I was impressed w/ shit watches since they were 13123x better then the other shit watches I'd seen before.

@ phil28:
You shouldn't have a problem from any of our trusted dealers
right now I'd recommend Time4Direct, Daytona4me, Fakey or Bk..
They've set up a good track record of giving you what you pay for.
 

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Like I said, the only Sub reps that make any sense now are the Asian Noob and WM9 v2. Well, the v1 too if you get a good deal.

I dunno who sells the good versions still... but when it comes to Rolex, bklm1234 is always the best bet. He really knows what he's selling, unlike many Chinese dealers.

Noob is a legend, and for $100 the Asian version can't be beaten. It's actually more accurate than a $400 MBK in many ways. Yeah it has its shortcomings but $100... come on! ;)

noob2.jpg
 

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Thxs By-Tor and Seven, and everybody else. these posting are so helpful. Now on to the quest for the "real" $100 noob