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A Pam979 and the Mediterranean Ocean - A Cautionary Tale

Rupert Fripp

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Dear Paneristi,

As some of you may know, I've been fascinated with the water resistance potential with reps due to the fact it seems to be the only fly in the proverbial ointment that stops reps being a no-brainer over buying a genuine.

I started this thread, which seemed to help dispel the myth that water is reps kryptonite - https://forum.replica-watch.info/forum/panerai/10058478-pressure-testing-pams

Some members may also be aware that I'd been aggressively hunting a pam979 to complete my collection. I was recently able to obtain one and was over the moon with the watch. I had it pressure tested to 5ATM and it passed with flying colours.

The watch was a little tough to wind so I sent it for a full service and had the watch returned in peak condition, losing almost no time and winding like butter. London has been cold and brutal so I booked a trip to sunny Spain for Christmas.

Whilst away, I decided to take a dip in the ocean - it was cold but tolerable and I waded into it at stomach level, my 979 submerged by a few inches. I reflexively checked the watch and found the dial flooded with water! My heart sank and I ran out of the ocean and found a local cobbler, that changes watch batteries, who managed to get the back off to drain the water. This was the result after 2 hours of seawater inside the movement:
I was crushed. I was isolated in a small beach town and would have to wait to get back to London to get it looked at properly.

I kept asking myself how this could happen if it passed 5ATM? Then it hit me - it passed BEFORE I had it serviced, I don't know what it's water resistance was following the work. I assumed that it would be pressure tested again but it wasn't. I walked into the ocean that day assuming it was in an identical state and that was my crucial mistake.

I got back to London yesterday and this is all that could be saved:

The movement and datewheel destroyed by rust.

One interesting note for those in the UK - my replica watch is COVERED by my insurance!!! It's legal to own them and they're going to reimburse me £100 less than I paid! So not all is lost! :thumbsup:
I'm now left in a quandary, do I buy a donor watch to just harvest the movement and date wheel? Or hold to see if at some point in the near future VSF or a competitor reopens and I'm able to source those parts specifically.

To all members, if you get a service, ask for WR test! DO NOT ASSUME IT IS AT THE SAME WR LEVEL FROM YOUR FIRST TEST!!!

If anyone has a p9000 movement and DW spare, please let me know!!!!
 

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That sucks man, especially when it's a "new to you" watch. Hopefully you're able to find someone with a donor movement and get the watch back on your wrist.

I saw the damage here, not sure if this was there before or after the service but that looks like someone tried to crank the case back down a few extra turns for good measure. This might have been the point of entry for the water?
 
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Wow! I never noticed that before!

That must’ve been where it was from because I couldn’t understand how so much water had got inside in such a tiny amount of time.

When I opened the crown to try and drain the water, nothing came out, so it can’t have been from there.

Thats severely disappointing if that happened at the point of service.
 

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Sorry to hear this and thanks for sharing. May I ask wouldn't your premium go up next year if you claimed insurance? Also with paying excess (I can imagine £50 if not more) is it with the hassle?

My lounge got flooded and the ceiling collapsed in June this yr, my excess was £500 which was offset by my £3k claim.

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Sorry to hear this and thanks for sharing. May I ask wouldn't your premium go up next year if you claimed insurance? Also with paying excess (I can imagine £50 if not more) is it with the hassle?

My lounge got flooded and the ceiling collapsed in June this yr, my excess was £500 which was offset by my £3k claim.

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It will but if I’m not claiming then I’m paying for nothing. I suppose you’re right in that there’s a calculation that needs to be done but insurers make billions on people not claiming so I never hesitate!
 

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How do you prove to the insurance company how much you paid for the rep PAM 979?
 

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It will but if I’m not claiming then I’m paying for nothing. I suppose you’re right in that there’s a calculation that needs to be done but insurers make billions on people not claiming so I never hesitate!
That's the thing, if the claim was big it makes sense. But yours is not so hence my original question. With my claim I have disclosed all the info I had which had caused the leak (a flat in the building was renovating and had connected a disused water pipe network which had caused 4 flats to leak and 9 damaged). They said they will share my info with their "recovery" team. Is definitely not "my fault" but I still have to pay for a higher premium, hence I am looking at legal action to sue the flat that caused the damages



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You know, pressure test results can easily be repped… and dealers have done it many times before.
Also pressure testing is not the best way to see if a watch will withstand water infiltration.
Under pressure, the seals are tighter than under normal conditions.
So it’s perfectly possible that a watch will get water inside while being 10cm submerged, but pass the 3 bar pressure test at the same time.


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You know, pressure test results can easily be repped… and dealers have done it many times before.
Also pressure testing is not the best way to see if a watch will withstand water infiltration.
Under pressure, the seals are tighter than under normal conditions.
So it’s perfectly possible that a watch will get water inside while being 10cm submerged, but pass the 3 bar pressure test at the same time.


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What would be the best way?
 

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That's the thing, if the claim was big it makes sense. But yours is not so hence my original question. With my claim I have disclosed all the info I had which had caused the leak (a flat in the building was renovating and had connected a disused water pipe network which had caused 4 flats to leak and 9 damaged). They said they will share my info with their "recovery" team. Is definitely not "my fault" but I still have to pay for a higher premium, hence I am looking at legal action to sue the flat that caused the damages



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I hear that. If my premium goes up I’ll go elsewhere.
 

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I think here also it's important how fast you're swimming and hitting the water, I had a gen with 30 ATM, tested, submerged in seawater for patina experiments for a week without issues. But when I started swimming quickly and jumping from a boat it flooded, maybe too much pressure?
 

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Sorry to read what's happened. About the discussed effects of shifts in water pressure:

Diving into a pool for example causes an immediate change in pressure - even though it only lasts for a few seconds. The moment you hit the water, there is an immediate shift in pressure, which may even exceed the watches recommended water resistance level, even if you don't go very deep.

But you said that you basically walked into the water and kinda slowly submerged it. Anyway, so sorry.
 

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Thanks for everyone’s comments and sympathy! I can’t lie it was a punch in stomach as it took a long time to get this watch!

Regarding speed of swimming, diving etc, I can say with certainty it was submerged in about as lethargic a fashion as it could be so would definitely rule that out in my case.
 
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