6497-1 conversion (marlin22 help me!!!)

[Wiz]

Hello,

Well at least I want to have a genuine ETA 6497-1 :/
Can anyone Tell me please where to get One for about 100€?
Maybe there is a seller from this Forum?

Somehow I want to habe a genuine Swiss movement in my Project ^^

You know you can't swap the plates from your asian movement on the swiss, right? You'll have to keep the undecorated bridges.

These movements are very common, it's what they use in watchmaking school these days to replace the old lepine movements. You can find some from any watch supply company.

 

[marlin2284]

Sorry mate but that's not true.

There are clones with ETA stamp, I've seen some, as well as many others. I have no idea if they're still in production but they sure were at some point, and I'm sure if you search the forum you'll find more about that, as it's a topic that have been discussed several times.

Yes you are correct, there were and are clone watches with ETA parts, back in 2005 DSN put out many watches with ETA parts including stamped main plate, and even today if you check on PureTime there are Swiss ETA watches. Only thing is if you notice they are all low beat 18000vph and believe it or not they are using ETA balance and gear train as well (http://puretime.co/product/pam111-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap-swiss-eta6497/). All of these parts are ETA not Asian cloned, that's why the cost has always been higher.

What I meant is that the Chinese have never placed an ETA stamp on any of their clone movements, I have been around REPS for over 10 years and have never seen one. I have searched the forums and all I have come up with are the DSNs. I am very curious as to how this has eluded me, if anyone has a Chinese movement with a simulated ETA stamp please post pictures, I am very curious to see this.

Thanks

 

[Wiz]

Yes you are correct, there were and are clone watches with ETA parts, back in 2005 DSN put out many watches with ETA parts including stamped main plate, and even today if you check on PureTime there are Swiss ETA watches. Only thing is if you notice they are all low beat 18000vph and believe it or not they are using ETA balance and gear train as well (http://puretime.co/product/pam111-m-noob-best-edition-on-black-calf-leather-strap-swiss-eta6497/). All of these parts are ETA not Asian cloned, that's why the cost has always been higher.

What I meant is that the Chinese have never placed an ETA stamp on any of their clone movements, I have been around REPS for over 10 years and have never seen one. I have searched the forums and all I have come up with are the DSNs. I am very curious as to how this has eluded me, if anyone has a Chinese movement with a simulated ETA stamp please post pictures, I am very curious to see this.

Thanks

You could have been around reps for 50 years, it doesn't change anything to the fact that there have been chinese 6497 produced with countrefeit eta staming, and no, I'm not referring to DSN's Swinese movements.

I was there when this has been discussed, I saw the pics and followed the discussions, so you can keep telling as much as you want that these movements never existed, I'll keep telling you that it's simply not true.

This is the second thread where you come and claim this. In the first one another member came and confirmed what I was saying, but obviously that was not enough.

Believe me or not, I really dont' care, and I'm surely not interested in arguing.

PS: For someone who've been around reps for over 10 years it took you quite some time to find rwi. Where have you been for all that time?

 

[marlin2284]

Whats with the attitude? It was a simple question, I am a 6497 enthusiast and I would like to see what that looked like, again I have never seen one. If you have references, share it with me, I am not trying to be conflictive, I just would like to see this. I have searched RG,RWI,RWG and WC where I am a vip member and supporter, and have not come across one.

FYI I have been a member of RG since 2008 and RWG since 2007, RWI is not the only forum for rep watches. I used RWI as a reference site and only this year did I join. Before that I lived in NY in the 80s and would mod cheap REP Rolex watches I would buy on Canal St. with gen Rolex parts. And I have worked on Omega 30T2s (cal.260)for the better part of 18 years, a movement very similar to the 6497(8). The fact that I do not do this for a living and do it for the joy I take from it, does not make me a novice. If you have any questions or concerns or need references, please feel free to PM me.

 

[Wiz]

My reply would have been different if this was the first time you were making such a statement. Actually, it was very different the first time.

This thread is the second in just a few days where you claim there is no such thing as 6497 with eta stamping. You did not asked any question, you made a statement, despite being told it's not true already once, and having that confirmed by another member.

So forgive me, but I find a little easy that you now act all offended.

I just don't like people spreading false information. This could especially be a problem if someone with such a movement wanted to sell his watch. It could misslead him in believing his movement is Swiss, or made with Swiss parts, and therefore misslead potential buyers.

This is not directed to you personnaly, I don't know you and doesn't have anything against you.

You've been around for a long time, and you said you consider yourself a 6497 afficionado, so I understand you're having a hard believing you missed something like that, but please understand as well that it's not really my concern.

I just told you what I saw and read. Either you take my word for it, or you're calling me a liar. No other option here I'm afraid.

That said, these threads are here, so you can sure find them, as well as you can find people to confirm.

 

[marlin2284]

I stand corrected, I have posted a request for picture of the Asian clone movement with replicated ETA stamp and here are the results:

Yes, evidently there were E series movements put out on the market with simulated ETA stamp, it seems they were put inside 127s Fiddys. By the looks of it they were put out between 2007-09. As described by some owners of such a watch, the crest looks more like a butterfly design as opposed to a clearly defined crest on the ETA main plates. There might be other variants of the movement, I will continue to check. Here are some pictures that were supplied to me by the great wOlf.

I will try to get and post more and better pictures on here and on the 6497 comparison thread I am in the process of putting together. I feel it is important information to share with the membership.

 

[Wiz]

Always thought this was common knowledge.