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36 AR or No AR?

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drfcfighter

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I just pulled the trigger on the Ruby 36 (she's great to work with)!

I'm getting the blue AR version as the purple AR is sold out.

1) However, I understand that the gen 36 doesn't have AR to begin with, correct? (I figured, if this is the case, why would I care whether the AR hue is blue or purple?)

2) Is there any reason to believe that the purple AR is better than blue AR at all?

3) to all the PAM experts: any suggested mods for this model? I understand that I'm to be stuck with the L dial, which I really don't mind that much... I'm not gonna seek out Paneristis and shove my piece in their face or anything. I'm also skipping the lume job as the gen 36 T dial should have faded/weak lume by now anyway; it's been 9 years!
 
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drfcfighter said:
I just pulled the trigger on the Ruby 36 (she's great to work with)!

I'm also skipping the lume job as the gen 36 T dial should have faded/weak lume by now anyway; it's been 9 years!
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If you owned a gen... wouldn't you have had it re-lumed by now?
 
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drfcfighter said:
1) However, I understand that the gen 36 doesn't have AR to begin with, correct? (I figured, if this is the case, why would I care whether the AR hue is blue or purple?)
Gen has purple AR ;)

2) Is there any reason to believe that the purple AR is better than blue AR at all?
Yes, it's more accurate to the piece, as the gen had purple AR. However, blue AR is more anti-reflective than purple AR.

3) to all the PAM experts: any suggested mods for this model? I understand that I'm to be stuck with the L dial, which I really don't mind that much... I'm not gonna seek out Paneristis and shove my piece in their face or anything. I'm also skipping the lume job as the gen 36 T dial should have faded/weak lume by now anyway; it's been 9 years!
One suggested mod is finding a new dial and getting a cannon pin fix. It appears that cannon pin is fixed in the first place, however, it's just that the 036 dial is thinner than other dials. Also you should look into crown and crown guard modding.
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Sorry, I could be wrong, but that is what I've read sometime back.
 
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I have an official OP catalogue here for all special editions 1997-2006.
It says AR coating as well.
It also shows a L SWISS L dial.
I see that the only 1997 special edition watch (the 021) had no AR, while all the special editions from 1999 and up were AR coated.

Maybe 1998 is sort of a borderline, with early (tritium) pieces without AR, and later (SL) pieces with AR?
 
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According to Babola and what I have read on Paneristi.com, B-series pams should not have A/R coating, even if it is L dial. In addition, (as mentioned above), 036 is supposed to be a T dial, it definitely should not have A/R coating.

I said this a few times on this board, but I heard that many Pam owners when they send in their old Pams for crystal replacement, Panerai puts in A/R coated crystals even for models that shouldn't have it - or else they make you wait months. So, it's not that unusual to find B series and older pams to have A/R coating.

I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Joe
 
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I'd love to see the 036MM with L-dial, that would make it a sort of "transitional" model in Panerai Series language. Also, those L-dial ones should be even more prized since they're so elusive no one's seen one yet :)

I remember 2-3 years ago there was a question asked on gen forum re this...since than it was all based on 'hear-say', no confirmation by the actual owner or photo provided.

The genuine 036 MM was started being offered at the end of '98 (end of Panerai A-series year) with majority being produced during the '99 (B-series year). Since there was only 200 of them ever made, and most likely all produced and snapped up during the first part of '99 - aludes to the fact that those dials should (I say should) be all Tritium or T-dials. But hey...it's Panerai we're talking about here...consistency during those early Vendome years wasn't exactly their strength :)

The fact remains - the picture of the 036 MM on the official web site shows a prototype. It may be due to a reason of all 200 of PAM036 watches being sold out at the time S/E reference guide and Web site being built, so that Panerai had to recreate the watch as a one-off specimen to be able to provide reference info...who knows.

A/R debate still remains amongst the gen crowd, and as Joe mentioned above, the line gets blurred by the fact lot of the non-A/R watches got their xtalls 'casualy' replaced with A/R coated versions during the service/maintenance etc.

...the 036 debate will never stop I believe...and there will be many more new members on these forums asking the same question in the future - "gen 036 MM - L or T dial, A/R or not... ?!" :wink:

cheers,
babola
 
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Is the AR on our 036 really AR?

I remember reading a post a while back questioning the same thing but never really answered. :?
 
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I Like my "barneyed" 036 :) Actually, if I can 100% super duper, triple times, with sugar on top confirm no AR, I will check out the auto compound paste and maybe some rubbing alcohol and clean 'er up :)

CISO
 
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Hey,

I tried many ways to remove the AR. Alcohol, Acetone... etc, etc. The AR is permanently stained on the crystal. You name it I tried it. No way you are going to buff it off.

I gave up at last by replacing a mineral crystal to mak it closer to the gen.
 
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taiji said:
Hey,

I tried many ways to remove the AR. Alcohol, Acetone... etc, etc. The AR is permanently stained on the crystal. You name it I tried it. No way you are going to buff it off.

I gave up at last by replacing a mineral crystal to mak it closer to the gen.
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I managed to buff 80-90% A/R coat from one of my sapphire xtals, heck of a hard work, at the end I used dremmel with buffing implement soaked in 'Brasso' to 'rub' the A/R off first, than clean one for fine buffing. It is very close to non-AR that came with my 001/002B series reps, but not completely.

I've done this without actually removing the xtal from the bezel/case first, I believe if you remove it you'll have a better access to the A/R coated surface, and probably nicer non-A/R finish as a result.

cheers,
babola
 
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@Babola

What is a dremmel with buffing implement? DO you have a pic to show?

Thanks
 
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enzo said:
But it's a PANERAI picture, It HAS to be true!!! :roll:

(The entire arguement's -fact- seems based on the Panerai Published catalogue image content.) There are L SWISS L dialed PAM036s, they are called REPLICAs and were based on the image in the PANERAI catalogue which was incorrect [on purpose?] which Panerai does all the time BTW ...

Nobody has every posted a GEN PAM036 image with a Luminova scribed dial. Trust owner's evidence over the company trying to combat replica makers by providing incorrect detail data ...
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pretty interesting... never thought of it, but it makes sense, especially regarding limited run manufacturing.
 
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