2533 and 3646 -MY VINTAGE PANERAI WATCH PROJECTS

[Gunscrossed]

Engraved for Heinz Pape (HP) and Siegfried Künnicke (SK),

Thank you

Small 'anal' detail but the case back on the right is for Günter Heyden not Heinz Pape, Heyden's watch should also have a 'Radiomir' dial.
Heinz Pape belonged to Einsatzgruppe Keller same as Siegfried Künnicke.

Heinz Pape's Kampfschwimmer-Uhr

Peter

 

[Perspex Tropic]

Current replicas in the market are either not too accurate or just too expensive.I feel that there
is a demand for more accurate vintage replicas at a more resonable prices.So that our members
could add any of these to their Panerai collections if they like.

I would say that my models are relatively more accurate than others in the market.But they are still not perfect.I need your feedback badly
to move our way closer to a perfect rep.

Thank you

Hello Davidsen!

Good news for the Vintage conaisseurs,
I bet these models are A dream come thrue for many among us, First of all thank you Davidsen en Enzo!
Planning to re-build A 3646 Rep myself for A long time now I have gathered A lot of info and pics.
Finepics Custom/rebuild Project 3646 is the closest acurate Vintage Radiomir I have seen in pictures.

1st of all I have never seen A correct Radiomir Case. It should be so thin that the crown tube diameter is the same as the Case edge (Somethimes You see 3646's with the Crown tube filed down so it does not exceed the Case edge!)



This picture shows clearly the thin Case wich does not have square edges all edges are rounded!
Also note the Pointed case corners.


The modern Pam232 on top of the Vintage 3646 The 232 Case Body is fat the Bezel is thin the Backplate is rounded off , The 3646; Thin Case, High and Fat Bezel and Back plate. Total height is the same for both watches.

3646 High Bezel, The Plexi Crystal has A shallow dome shape


3646 welded Wire loop Strap Attachments bends are rounder and closer to the Case then the squarish bend wires on Reps.

3646 backplate sharp edges, Thin Facet cut edge on top and bottom. Flat surface top.
Note Welded Crown tube.



Davidsen Rolex Crowns are amazing here is the Gen Vintage for comparison.


The Panerai Brevet Crown should have "Brevet" and Swiss cross "+" Stamped here is the Gen.
As far As I know this was only featured on top of the Panerai 'Oignon' crowns (See the 2 pics below)



3646 Kampfschwimmer The Blue Hands look black without the light hitting them spot-on usually this obscures their shape against the black dial. These are always tapered at the center, The Minute Hand is thin and almost touches the Bezels rim the Hour hand is Fat and sectioned with a thin bridge, there is also A gold and SS version of the same model hands (There are several variations of other models)


The Ingraved Dial text must be difficult to make! Nice Vintage touch. But indeed the Lettering would look more authentic in Art Deco letters.

The Letters are A-symetric For instance; The Horizontal bridge in the letter ''A" is below the center.

Final nitpick, the cut-out Symbols seems to be thinner on the original vintage sandwich Dials.

Ok realise This is all nitpicking becuase these are for sure the best detailled and quallity Vintage Radiomir Replicas for sale, Only A master like Davidsen keeps open to improvements and learning!
Please Keep them comming.
Regards,

 

[ragerover]

Davidsen,
If you are looking for some feedabck, I am happy to give you my $0.02.

First let me say that I think its amazing that you ask for feedback in order to make the perfect product! We all know how much time and effort you put it, and we thank you for it.

As far as your 6152s go, I obviously don't own a genuine 6152, so I can not tell you is your cases are the same exact size. But if you are basing them off of the RXW case, then they should be the correct size. When I see pics on Paneristi of an RXW and a gen 6512, they case looks to be the correct size.

So I would say, your case is almost perfect.

What I would change is the engraving. I like how you tried to add engraving between the strap lugs, but its is the inccorect style. So I would either change the engraving to the correct style (please see pictures) or so not engrave anything.

Crown Guard. I LOVE how you added "Brev. Ital" but the crown guard and lever is not the correct shape. The crown guard and lever is closer in shape to the PAM127. The RXWs had the correct crown guard shape.

If you can change the crown guard to PAM127 style but still have "Brev Ital" engraved, I think your 6512 would be perfect.



I like how you recreated the Heller Group engravings on the back of your 3646, but I am not so concerned about that. Its a nice historical touch, but these rngravings were done individually, by each memeber. And I believe after the war.

Italian Panerais either had no engraving, or had simple numbers and letters. Such as SMZ MM.

I would much rather see SMZ MM than a complex engraving.

I have A LOT of pictures of case backs, but here are a few:

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I think the "Russian Rolex" movement you are showing is the best one I have seen! No blue screws, nice engraving and no cotes de geneve (although they were delivered to Panerai with and without CDG).

Your vintage dials look amazing. I love how you engrave rather than print. BUT, looking more and more at the originals, I believe the words "Marina Militare" were smaller.

Lastly, I would love to see "Motres Rolex" stamped on the inside of solid backs. I think this adds more to the watch becasue it is closer to gen. I do not think this would be too difficult as current Rolex reps all have this engraving on the inside of the case back.

original:

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Pic stolen from Andrew:

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I think your plexiglass crystal and crown look perfect.

I am not concerned about things like straps because these are easlily changed. A sew on strap is correct on the 3646 and 2533, but this would be too timeconsuming to do on every watch, so it would be easier to just let people do it themselves. For those who can not or do not want to do it themselves, you can make it an option.

I hope do not take offense to what I am saying, you did ask for feeback! Thanks.

 

[ragerover]

Ferretti owns the 2533 and has owned it for many years.

He does wear it! although I am not sure how often. But he has worn it to "P-Day" (LOL) several times.

A quick email to him or a post on Paneristi (where he does visit) can possibly answer some questions about the plexi-crystal.

Like others have pointed out, its a 60+ year old watch. How many times has the crystal been changed? Who knows what the original crystal really was. I would just assume its the same one used on the 3646.

 

[Perspex Tropic]

ragerover,
The picture of the 3646 Radiomir with "X FLot MAS" ingraved backplate won't open :roll:

Can You repost it Please, Please with sugar on top!

Do You have more 3646 Radiomir pics?

Regards,

 

[ragerover]

Oops. I think that was my fault Perspex when I cut and pasted the link.

3646 were delivered without any caseback markings. According to Ferretti, very few 3646s had markings. I am not 100% sure, but I believe the XaFlotmas 3646 to be original markings.

Besides the 2 famous Keller group markings (which Davidsen reproduced) there is a less known 3rd example, which I posted below.

Thats all I have found for 3646. All the other case back pics I have are of 6152s (which are mostly marked "M.M." and a number).

 

[bigbadbrad]

yaaay!

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Magnifico!! I am in the queue!