2022 JKF (Cartel) 1680 Rolex Submariner review + modding the hell out of it

[kilowattore]

Excellent job on the case and well written tutorial, but in order to get the facts straight it should be noted that yours is a BP 1680 which is massively different than a JKF 1680.
I have both at home now and can certify this

The BP has all the characteristics you clearly depicted, while the cartel/JKF still has 26 mm dial, better date wheel overlay, pressure fit friction bezel with gen like construction, better crown shape.
The BP is an overall valid choice if you don't want to mod it, JKF is the go to for modding because it can accept most gen like parts such as crown and tube, bezel, crystal. Dial needs to be reduced to 26.0 mm in order to fit though.

 

[pompompurin]

The BP has all the characteristics you clearly depicted, while the cartel/JKF still has 26 mm dial, better date wheel overlay, pressure fit friction bezel with gen like construction, better crown shape.
The BP is an overall valid choice if you don't want to mod it, JKF is the go to for modding because it can accept most gen like parts such as crown and tube, bezel, crystal. Dial needs to be reduced to 26.0 mm in order to fit though.

Thank you for the kind words! I never had to remove so much material from the insides of the CG before.

Well, I gave the link below to jtime to order this watch, and the title of the link says "JKF."

Vintage Submariner 1680 SS JKF Best Edition Black Dial on SS Bracelet (Style2) A2836 - InTimeWatch

Vintage Submariner 1680 SS JKF Best Edition Black Dial on SS Bracelet (Style2) A2836

www.intime06.co

Also, the crown/ tube of a BP 1680's case doesn't extend far away from the bezel, unlike mine. The crownguard is also very different to a BP:

ROLSUB0196B - Vintage Submariner Ref.1680 SS/SS Red BPF A2836 [ROLSUB0196B] - $238.00 : Trusty Time Watch, Your Trusty Watch Shop

Trusty Time Watch ROLSUB0196B - Vintage Submariner Ref.1680 SS/SS Red BPF A2836 [ROLSUB0196B] - BP Factory Vintage Submariner 1680 Single Red Gilt With specially made option for Folded Bracelet or Riveted Bracelet MOVEMENT: Asia 2836-2 Automatic Movement (28,800bph) CASE DIAMETER: 40mm...

trustytimewatch88.io

https://trustytimewatch88.io/images/ROLEX17/ROLSUB0196B_4.jpg

But like I said, maybe the manufacturing method/ batch changed. Besides, the watch i linked was recently released in intime's website which means it could be a new release (by JKF? as mentioned in their title) that uses different cases.

New Arrivals - InTimeWatch

www.intime06.co

 

[kilowattore]

Not sure. I've seen dealers mismatch these more than a few times in the last few months. Maybe a stock shortage on JKF part and they just recurred to BP thinking it was the same. They're not very different from the outside. Sead is still sourcing the right ones for me.

 

[pompompurin]

I was going to assemble the watch 1 week ago, but this part in the 2813 movement snapped off. The date didn't work



So I ordered a new 2813 21j movement and waited for delivery. It arrived recently.

Here is the Vietnam dial. I bought this dial because the location of the wording was fairly accurate. I will not be using the champagne dwo. This pic is for mockup purposes.



I removed the dial feet from the Vietnam dial and sanded off the remnants of the dial feet. Then I installed a new flat 3 DWO from Rafflesdial onto the new 2813 21j movement.





I will be attaching new dial feet to the Vietnam dial, so I mounted the dial feet and dial spacer onto the movement first before I glued the Vietnam dial.



I added 2 blobs of superglue, attached the dial onto the dial feet, and aligned the dial.

Then I put everything into the movement's protective case and gently clamped it between a vise. This applies relatively even pressure onto the dial and its dial feet while the superglue dries.

 

[vcelkama]

Hi, is there any reason why you decided to glue dial feet in this case? I think you usually don’t use it and rather use adhesive to fix dial to the dial spacer.

Also did you do a new hole to the dial so that the dial feet aligns with its back surface? Otherwise it would be slightly above the dial spacer where dial feet are while it will be elevated above the dial spacer elsewhere.

Thanks

 

[pompompurin]

Hi, is there any reason why you decided to glue dial feet in this case? I think you usually don’t use it and rather use adhesive to fix dial to the dial spacer.

Because the 2813 / 21j movement is different. The dial spacer of a 2813 / 21j movement does not rest on a ridge like a 2824-2 / 2836-2 because there are no ridges on a 2813 / 21j movement; instead, the dial spacer rests on dial feet. Therefore, installing dial feet is pretty much mandatory in this case.

 

[pompompurin]

Also did you do a new hole to the dial so that the dial feet aligns with its back surface? Otherwise it would be slightly above the dial spacer where dial feet are while it will be elevated above the dial spacer elsewhere.

I just install the feet and see how things go. Then I adjust and improvise.

 

[pompompurin]

Finished

 

[oldtools]

Beautiful!

 

[MeasurementCraft]

Nice work! Looks great

 

[endy]

Impressive build! Case work looks especially great considering what you started with.

 

[pompompurin]

 

[bcapa40]

I have the older Trusty time stubby case 5513 and was going to order the JFK 5513 due to the longer CG's but after seeing the non gen bezel construction I quickly slammed on the brakes. The previos stubby CG had a gen style build with the bezel retaining ring. Very disappointing.

 

[bcapa40]

I have the older Trust 5513\1680 stubby CG case which has gen like construction. Was going to buy the JK 5513 due to the larger crown guards but after seeing the bezel is now the wire on case I've decided it's a no go.

 

[bcapa40]

Same experience - got 1680 JKF from Marv 4 months back and it has 26 mm dial and “standard“ bezel assembly (no wire spring). While having a larger dial now is a good move (to be able to fit gen spec one), the spring bezel assembly is not that good… it was pretty easy to use Clark /Sternkreuz plexis before which is difficult with current bezel assembly.

This is the one i'm looking for and not the wire bezel spring. Wonder if it's a TD thing on which model they can get.

 

[NCRich]

Marvellous Replica just chimed in over at RWG to say that the sub in this thread is NOT a current JK sub. This one is from somewhere else. Your dealer didn't send you a JK.

 

[Perpetual]

Marvellous Replica just chimed in over at RWG to say that the sub in this thread is NOT a current JK sub. This one is from somewhere else. Your dealer didn't send you a JK.

Well that's great news!! And thank you for the confirmation because as many of us (and myself included) are still very excited about the original jkf it's affordable and has great potential for a very decent vintage sub to be had.

And something to note: The JK sub stays more true then a milk case option being that the milk case is at 38mm case size and throws everything off balance especially if you wanted to upgrade the bezel assembly.

 

[wisedennis]

Do you still have this watch? Is it for sale

 

[pompompurin]

Do you still have this watch? Is it for sale

It is gone lol. I don't have it anymore

 

[Rolexmike69]

It is gone lol. I don't have it anymore

I accidentally purchased one of these (5513) must be the BP case although that’s not how it was advertised. I’m at a point where I want to smash this thing or bring it to the shooting range.
1. Thought I could change the crystal… obviously I can’t.
2. it’s the spring loaded Bezel not the regular retainer/bezel ring
3. I can’t find a dial to switch into this one.

I’m fine with Modding the Crown guards because I was going to do that anyway…

The dial that’s on the movement right now is 26.94 mm…
Any suggestions on where I can find a dial?
Is there a tutorial on here on how to put these spring loaded bezels back on the spring keeps popping out every time I just touch the damn Bezel lol

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Here’s what I’m working with