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116500 CF comparison with gen 116520

Tobel

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Thank you for the 1:1 comparison. Are you ever planning on getting a CF 116520 to compare with your gen?

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I'd love to have a "body double" for my gen indeed, but with the current subdials it's not really an option for me. I'm in no rush so will be waiting/hoping for a V2 with better subdials and if that comes then I'll definitely get one and do a similar rep/gen comparison
 

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Hi

I am planning to buy a cf panda one but i am bothered by the straight line 3 points on the crown.

Does someone know where I can buy a nice one not being a gen?

May I buy a new stem too?

Thanks guys

Just ask your TD crown from CF, VSF, ARF...you can use gmt sub ym crown.....
 
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Priceless Tobel , thanks a lot
The CF panda is definitely in the cart after CNY, as for changing my current noob cases with CF ...mmm I'm not so sure as, for what I can see, yes CF is better than Noob (which we know is basically boxy straight) but it's still not there with the wavy, beautifully rounded gen case.
 

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Priceless Tobel , thanks a lot
The CF panda is definitely in the cart after CNY, as for changing my current noob cases with CF ...mmm I'm not so sure as, for what I can see, yes CF is better than Noob (which we know is basically boxy straight) but it's still not there with the wavy, beautifully rounded gen case.

Thanks bro
let me know your thoughts once you've received it!
 
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Somehow totally missed this thread until now. Great review, very informative comparison!

Good job, thanks for your time and effort.
 
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Nicely done this comparison. This confirms my suspicion that the CF Daytona is the best you can buy right now. Apart from a real Daytona of course, but this one costs a bit more. LOL. My CF Panda has been ordered and I am waiting impatiently for the delivery. Cheer’s.
 
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Thanks for a great side by side review with a gen. All these posts are making me want one more & more. Got to find the money for it. LOL!
 

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Hi guys,


Here's my modest rep Vs. gen comparison. The rep is the now famous CF 116500 white dial, and the gen is a 2013 116520 with latest clasp model and chromalight (blue lume). If it's not obvious, the CF will always be on the left and the gen on the right.




For those wondering, except the bezel and of course the dial, everything else is supposed to be identical between this late model of 116520 and a 116500: case, strap, hands, lume, crystal, bracelet, clasp etc. which makes this comparison relevant. So no point saying "yeah but it's not a 116500", it doesn't matter as I won't be comparing bezel nor dial. There's a potential exception to that which is how the crystal sticks out, I'll share details later.

Overall I'm happy to say that the CF is an amazing rep. It is very well finished and feels premium. The only exception is the bracelet, but the edges are well finished and I'm 100% sure that it will only take an oil bath to make it feel gen like.




The case is an improvement over the Noob case and is very well done, though it still lacks some of the roundedness of the gen, but this is really hard to tell without the gen next to it and super hard to capture on pictures





The bracelet - as I said provided it gets an oil bath - is very good and gen like. SELs are tight and there's no gap between the SEL and the case nor lugs. The only small issue is that SEL recession could be a little bit more pronounced. But even on the gen the recession on a Daytona is much less than on a 116610, so this is a detail that does not bother me. There is a little space between the top of the SEL and the bottom of the bezel but once again it's like gen. The clasp is also very genlike in terms of looks as well as action, with the exception of the small part with the Rolex coronet that is a bit flimsy, which is something that I think should be fixable with grease/oil bath. The extension works great and feels genlike.

Nothing particular to say about the crystal itself, it's clear and reflects light in a similar manner on gen and rep. The only thing that I noticed is that the crystal sticks out a little bit more on the gen than on the rep. Given that one had a metallic bezel and the other one a ceramic bezel, I don't know whether this is normal or not.

As mentioned by some folks here, the crown does have the 3 dots that are on a straight line instead of a curved one. This is a detail that I don't care about but it is there. On the bright side of things, screwing and unscrewing the crown is super smooth and very gen like. Same thing when it comes to winding the movement, it's butter smooth.



Regarding the pushers the overall action is quite good (screwing/unscrewing/pushing), close to gen though a it feels just a little less more tinny, I wonder whether some grease could help. In terms of shape, this has been discussed at length, they are slightly different from gen. Even with zoomed pictures it's hard to pinpoint what exactly the problem is. In my opinion their overall length is ok but they don't screw down quite enough. I'm also wondering whether the part that you screw/unscrew may have an ever so slightly higher diameter on the CF than on the gen.




As I posted in another thread, the rehaut engraving is also quite well done and well aligned, maybe just a little bit shallow but again without the gen next to it it's impossible to tell.

Finally, and this is an opinion no longer a comparison with the gen, the dial is very well finished. Markers look great, printing is sharp and on this white dialed 116500 the subdials look great. The only thing is that I would have preferred a little bit of a warmer white for the color of the dial. But please note that it's a question of personal preference as I do believe that the latest 116500 gens come with that cold white dial as well.

There you go, these are my thoughts and I hope they are useful. Overall it's a great rep so if you're hesitating just go ahead, you won't be disappointed. Here's a few pics as a bonus.

Cheers




I cant wait to get my! I bought 2 colors black or white! Their is nobody going to stop you and ask real or not! Even experts cant tell exactly without exams the watch!i think this is a really good deal rep ever!I believe overtime they will perfect it ! Excellent post and review from you
 

Tobel

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I cant wait to get my! I bought 2 colors black or white! Their is nobody going to stop you and ask real or not! Even experts cant tell exactly without exams the watch!i think this is a really good deal rep ever!I believe overtime they will perfect it ! Excellent post and review from you

Thanks for the kind comment mate
Small piece of feedback for next time, when you quote such a post it's better to remove the images so that you don't have repeated content of one page long when your message is actually just a few lines long

cheers
 
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Just ask your TD crown from CF, VSF, ARF...you can use gmt sub ym crown.....

Where I can find crown high quality ?with the 3 arc points? which factory is better really like genuine crown?
 
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Just ask your TD crown from CF, VSF, ARF...you can use gmt sub ym crown.....

Which the best crow factory? And if I buy crown GMT or us or ym I can put in Daytona 116520? Same size dimensions?
 

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Which the best crow factory? And if I buy crown GMT or us or ym I can put in Daytona 116520? Same size dimensions?

Just buy a gen Rolex Triplock. 24-704. Not expensive and not terribly difficult to swap .
 

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Tobel Many thanks for taking the time to post this comparison - this is next on my purchase list so having this info is very helpful.

A question about the crystal...The gen crystal appears to have flatter edges and a more defined "corner" whereas the rep appears to be more rounded. Of course it could just be my eyes or the difference in bezel thickness. Is there actually a difference or is it just me?
 

Tobel

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Tobel Many thanks for taking the time to post this comparison - this is next on my purchase list so having this info is very helpful.

A question about the crystal...The gen crystal appears to have flatter edges and a more defined "corner" whereas the rep appears to be more rounded. Of course it could just be my eyes or the difference in bezel thickness. Is there actually a difference or is it just me?

Honestly with the naked eye it's impossible to tell rye difference. At worst the gen can seem to stick out a tiny bit more but we're talking about a 10th of a millimeter, and that may just be factory tolerance. So I'm no way a tell IMO
 
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As Tobel said gen crystal is slightly different in side shape and it sticks out a tad more. I prefer the flatter deep crystal myself