Have the "Factories" seen a Gen DSSD??? Hmmm....

[1leighton1]

Watchmaker 9's next rep is going to be the DSSD, should be out next year. If you want a really good DSSD it might be worth asking BK about. (asuming watchmaker ever gets the pre orders out from last year). Better yet wait to ask BK about this till after the SD is released so he has time to get all of his orders filled.

also be ready to pay $500+ for it

 

[alvinado]

watchmaker9, yes they produced great watches... nut we have to wait till 2011?

 

[trailboss99]

If George says 2011 I'd say sometime second quarter 2012 would be about the soonest to expect it.


Col.

 

[JohnnySac]

Watchmaker 9's next rep is going to be the DSSD, should be out next year. If you want a really good DSSD it might be worth asking BK about. (asuming watchmaker ever gets the pre orders out from last year). Better yet wait to ask BK about this till after the SD is released so he has time to get all of his orders filled.

also be ready to pay $500+ for it

If George says 2011 I'd say sometime second quarter 2012 would be about the soonest to expect it.
Col.

Thanks for the replies guys.
See, here's the thing:

I feel we all know how the game is played/what the rules are...
My take on a $500.00+ replica is IF it can look just like the gen or close to it
to where the main bases are covered: ( e.g; )

-Correct thickness of markers
-Correct thickness of bezel/case
-Bezel insert with a closer to gen pearl and correct thickness of the white numbers and marks
-( not to mention an ALIGNED PEARL! )
-Possibly correct titanium caseback piece (just wishing there)
-Correct dial material match and Font
-Correct Beveled date window
-Correct overall depth.

The bracelet on my T4D is overall very well done...

I would pay $500.00 for this.

 

[1watching2]

Thanks for the replies guys.
See, here's the thing:

I feel we all know how the game is played/what the rules are...
My take on a $500.00+ replica is IF it can look just like the gen or close to it
to where the main bases are covered: ( e.g; )

-Correct thickness of markers
-Correct thickness of bezel/case
-Bezel insert with a closer to gen pearl and correct thickness of the white numbers and marks
-( not to mention an ALIGNED PEARL! )
-Possibly correct titanium caseback piece (just wishing there)
-Correct dial material match and Font
-Correct Beveled date window
-Correct overall depth.

The bracelet on my T4D is overall very well done...

I would pay $500.00 for this.

I would too.
Exactly why I am researching the crap out of it. To try and find the closest I can. More importantly though, for me, is to get one that will function properly and be a good watch. Flaws, minor as they are, don't bug me too much. I want a watch that I can wear everyday. Many companies make dive watches in that price range that are fantastic, reliable watches. Why can't it be a DSSD rep?

 

[seventhexile]

Thanks for the replies guys.
See, here's the thing:

I feel we all know how the game is played/what the rules are...
My take on a $500.00+ replica is IF it can look just like the gen or close to it
to where the main bases are covered: ( e.g; )

-Correct thickness of markers
-Correct thickness of bezel/case
-Bezel insert with a closer to gen pearl and correct thickness of the white numbers and marks
-( not to mention an ALIGNED PEARL! )
-Possibly correct titanium caseback piece (just wishing there)
-Correct dial material match and Font
-Correct Beveled date window
-Correct overall depth.

The bracelet on my T4D is overall very well done...

I would pay $500.00 for this.

Most of the time - not all the time, (I have been lucky on occasion)

It's better to buy a solid case and such then have a trusted modder work on the parts.

90% of the watches I've owned have been good watches such as a used MBK sub or a used WM9 sub - take it apart - work the case a little, send out the dial to be worked on, change up the hands, re-work the movement.. put it back together polish it up.
(maybe if needed some small things like new pearl or such..)


For around $5-600 you have a 99.99% perfect watch.

...

or you could buy a brand new WM9 watch for $600 or something.. and you'll have a 90% accurate watch.

or you could buy a used MBK for $400 that's had some work done and you'd have a 87% accurate watch.

 

[fakemaster]

For around $5-600 you have a 99.99% perfect watch.

or you could buy a brand new WM9 watch for $600 or something.. and you'll have a 90% accurate watch.

or you could buy a used MBK for $400 that's had some work done and you'd have a 87% accurate watch.

Or you could buy a new WM9, take it to a used watch shop that puts gen parts on MBKs and have one that is 276.99%:biglaugh:

Aw comon that was funny!!

 

[Meta4]

or you could buy a brand new WM9 watch for $600 or something.. and you'll have a 90% accurate watch.

or you could buy a used MBK for $400 that's had some work done and you'd have a 87% accurate watch.

Those numbers have to be dodgy .... none of the members here would accept a watch that was 10% inaccurate - that's street market junk. The reps you're talking about would rate much higher that that.

 

[indyberetta]

Well, everyone else has stated their opinion so here is mine...

Have you ever held two of the exact same Rolex models in your hand at the AD that were produced several months apart? Well, if you do you will see slight differences between the two watches. Why? Well, Rolex makes many of the parts on a limited production schedule. The pearls are never exactly the same, the dial colors can vary, and the brush finish of the bracelet can even look different.

I recently was in my local Rolex AD looking at the new ceramic blue subs. I love the look of the watch. He had one that was in the store for about 4 months and the other had just arrived a few days before Christmas. He showed me both of them side by side. He even mentioned that the dial on the new one had more of a mat look to the dial than the earlier one...and it was different for sure. The bracelet brushing was slightly different too. The pearls were close to each other, but they were slightly unique for each watch...maybe a slight color difference?

So, what most of you complain about on your reps also happen in the real world of Rolex too. That is why is is hard to tell gens from reps..variations of the gens over the years and even within a few months of production. The watches are hand built so yes they can vary...

 

[JohnnySac]

Nein...

What you mentioned (gen to gen) are such subtle differences *I* wouldn't complain...
Then again, I wouldn't accept these differences anyway in a watch that sells for $9500.00 (SRP)
What *I* mentioned (as far as reps of the DSSD go) you may not understand what I am saying..and what many have already stated in this thread....

The case is completely wrong.
You need a suitable platform in order to mod it...A proper foundation is a correct case (too thin) and
Correct bezel thickness, and rehaut depth (both are wrong)

I can actually live with a bezel insert that would be considered *less than ideal* in a replica watch....

But if the factories cannot even get the precision of the correct depth of the entire watch?

1.) I don't/I shouldn't have to buy a gen to be able to get such a detail "down pat"
2.) Rehaut, case and overall depth isn't very hard to do, considering such exquisite works of art that have come from these very same factories...

When you say:

So, what most of you complain about on your reps also happen in the real world of Rolex too. That is why is is hard to tell gens from reps..variations of the gens over the years and even within a few months of production. The watches are hand built so yes they can vary...

The thickness of the marker rings doesn't vary much if any.
In fact, this *variation* is one of the features that makes a genuine Rolex, a genuine Rolex. I've not seen such variations you've mentioned and I frequent Rolex AD's all of the time...

I doubt you read my post that mentions what I think should be made to exact specification as per gen, or close to it...(Among them, and repeated for you)

-Correct thickness of markers
-Correct thickness of bezel/case
-Bezel insert with a closer to gen pearl and correct thickness of the white numbers and marks
-( not to mention an ALIGNED PEARL! )
-Possibly correct titanium caseback piece (just wishing there)
-Correct dial material match and Font
-Correct Beveled date window
-Correct overall depth.


There IS a difference between variations in gen Rolex watches and
blatant disregard for a replica DSSD -that *could* meet and exceed expectation concerning those bullet points referenced above.

For what it is worth, when I buy a Gen Rolex....
I make damn certain it looks like a Rolex.
A gen Rolex (to me) has a certain look when looking at:
-Rehaut
-Case to bracelet fitment
-Case thickness/Depth
-Dial font/print
-Hour markers the correct size, AND the correct metallic thickness surrounding the lume.


One more thing:
Concerning my older replicas I once owned:

You could put them side by side with the gen, and NOT see such obvious variations to such effect that
the rep would be instantly called out, and hilarity would ensue...

If you ever buy a replica DSSD, I invite you to compare it next to a Gen...
The gen is such in a different league of quality componentry of its own.....it's not even funny!
We're not talking apples to oranges here (I cannot comment on the EuroTimez model) but as far as the
self proclaimed V5/ultimates are concerned.....They uber FAIL.

Bag it.
Big Time!



I definitely appreciate your opinion and input IndyBeretta, I do...
But when you say:

"That is why is is hard to tell gens from reps..variations of the gens over the years and even within a few months of production."

No way.
This replica just looks like a toy, and is easily spotted as a fake.

Looks is one thing, build quality is another.
When you have both not in your favor, pulling this off as a gen won't happen.

Work watch, the rep is a great alt.
Beater watch? Also a great fit.
But....Don't wear this around any WIS, or Swiss Made Watch aficionado!

 

[Hogan]

Interesting read... When I had my V3, a guy I knew that owned 4 Rolex's, mostly subs saw my DSSD V3 and freaked... Everyone in the room knew it was a rep. This guy went nutz, stating it was the newer version of the SD and was in love with it. When I told him it was a rep, he was shocked...... He even compared the sweep to his two tone sub... And then asked if I was sure. LOL
Even if a watch is 90% close, most people cannot tell the difference. The others think they can!!!

 

[seventhexile]

Those numbers have to be dodgy .... none of the members here would accept a watch that was 10% inaccurate - that's street market junk. The reps you're talking about would rate much higher that that.

Maybe in your eyes....

But then again maybe I'm just obsessive

I did after all go through about 20 or so Rolex Subs from all the different dealers (all high end ones) to find the perfect one .. I actually found 2 very acceptable ones, both needed some work, but still great.
(and both of them happened to be from members - which I prefer buying from over dealers.)

Then again I happen to like modding my watches, so that could be a factor.

When I first got into reps - a noob sub/bk-mariner was good enough for me to wear.
Now that I've been around for a while and modded / learned my share - I can or at one point at least, call out most fakes from gens - even after heavy modding.

- One of those the more you learn the more you see the flaws type thing.
(not by any means saying you dont know what your talking about !)

Just mean my level of detail / acceptance is most likely different then yours.
(like I said, at one point an un-modded noob sub or a bk-mariner used to be acceptable to me)


Also :

Interesting read... When I had my V3, a guy I knew that owned 4 Rolex's, mostly subs saw my DSSD V3 and freaked... Everyone in the room knew it was a rep. This guy went nutz, stating it was the newer version of the SD and was in love with it. When I told him it was a rep, he was shocked...... He even compared the sweep to his two tone sub... And then asked if I was sure. LOL
Even if a watch is 90% close, most people cannot tell the difference. The others think they can!!!

Hogan is dead on.

Most ppl cant tell the difference !
Seriously I've found a lot of ppl wearing reps thinking they were gen !
Or ppl wearing Gen's complimenting me on my "Gen" ..

Most ppl don't know enough / care enough to look for all the flaws.

for me modding rolex's was a hobby and a way to de-stress after classes - it grew into a little bit of an obsession,
but I think that those who sent watches to me to mod or bought modded watches from me appreciated the level of detail that went into the work.

 

[JohnnySac]

But then again maybe I'm just obsessive


- One of those the more you learn the more you see the flaws type thing.
(not by any means saying you dont know what your talking about !)

Just mean my level of detail / acceptance is most likely different then yours.
(like I said, at one point an un-modded noob sub or a bk-mariner used to be acceptable to me)

Nice post.
This sums it up for me in a clear way.

If someone by any chance hasn't been *enlightened* in some way that exemplifies my (or your) being able to call out a rep, or analyze very closely parts of a watch that either faithfully come together or not...it may appear a pissing contest but it's clearly not the case...I remember when people (a few years ago) would post "Gen or Rep?" -threads containing pictures...Unless the dial was swapped out (which it wasn't) the hour marker metallic ring was always (to me) a clear give-a-way....

I just want a rep that can resemble gen.
After looking at ET's latest DSSD...it appears the rehaut is very gen-like.
A feature missing from my watch.

 

[HR911]

Well, everyone else has stated their opinion so here is mine...

Have you ever held two of the exact same Rolex models in your hand at the AD that were produced several months apart? Well, if you do you will see slight differences between the two watches. Why? Well, Rolex makes many of the parts on a limited production schedule. The pearls are never exactly the same, the dial colors can vary, and the brush finish of the bracelet can even look different.

I recently was in my local Rolex AD looking at the new ceramic blue subs. I love the look of the watch. He had one that was in the store for about 4 months and the other had just arrived a few days before Christmas. He showed me both of them side by side. He even mentioned that the dial on the new one had more of a mat look to the dial than the earlier one...and it was different for sure. The bracelet brushing was slightly different too. The pearls were close to each other, but they were slightly unique for each watch...maybe a slight color difference?

So, what most of you complain about on your reps also happen in the real world of Rolex too. That is why is is hard to tell gens from reps..variations of the gens over the years and even within a few months of production. The watches are hand built so yes they can vary...

I've just been reading this old thread and what the poster says above is so true.
I was in Dubai last week and went into an AD to look at a DSSD. I was shocked to see that the Bezel insert looked very strange and definitely different from DSSD's in Europe.
It was definitely ceramic but the paint was slightly yellow! and it looked smooth and not deep engraved as it should have done.

Thinking this was maybe a one off, I saw another DSSD at Dubai airport and it was exactly the same!....
Mine looked much better in comparison (The bezel insert)

Very interesting........

 

[PolonusTM]

I suppose, as it is usual with watches being shown at AD's - most of 'WOW' factor comes from great lighting conditions, all those shiny surroundings. Just put your favourite rep in the same exhibition window and you will be amazed how great it looks at the moment...

 

[Spirit]

I suppose, as it is usual with watches being shown at AD's - most of 'WOW' factor comes from great lighting conditions, all those shiny surroundings. Just put your favourite rep in the same exhibition window and you will be amazed how great it looks at the moment...

Ditto!
...Completely agree. Have any of you gone to the Shopping Center with your favorite shiny reps? It just glows with all that madness of lighting, spots, displays...everything around.
If I could make a photo session inside of a shopping mall, oh boy, that would be something to see...
:jerry:

Specially the new Rollies with ceramic inserts.. They look completely amazing and breathtaking when you´re shopping around on the mall. I keep checking the time even if I just had done it some minutes ago.. I can´t help myself on that. .
:biglaugh:

I was at the Mall with my Yacht-Master Platinum tonight, and the sparkling platinum dial is a one-of-a-kind wonder to look at with all these spots around...believe me

Cheers,
Spirit.