All good points watchbuff. When it comes down to brass tax, it is what someone is willing to pay, and for that you cannot blame the seller can you?watchbuff said:
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Selling reps on the board
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Absolutely not. If i was one of the $1k people that bought the HBB (Gof forbid!) What should I be asking for it if i wore it 2x? Now it's elling for half that and I KNOW FOR A FACT...the factories get approx $95 per copy on those before the ceramic bezel was added.
@Watchbuff youve missed the point, its not like a car off the showroom floor at all, if you pay $30,000 for a new car and have it registered and taxed , take it home, and I guarantee you it isnt worth the same $30,000 the day after you bought it,
more like $26,000 or maybe 27K, point is some members are making a quick buck out of other members, whether they wore it or not is irrelevant, theyre not a dealer, theyre not offering any guarantee, and just cos an uninformed noob is willing to pay it doesnt justify the sellers greed , the two threads quoted by Boo should make good reading for anyone who hasnt read them,
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=31831
http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=81419
Basically this guy buys a rep and posts a thread, raving about it, till some one points out a mafor flaw,
so he goes straight to a different board and tries to get one over on another member, ,his classic line of
''having done the QC for you'', galls me somewhat.
Fact is were seeing too much of it, and cant beleive the way some guys think its ok to do this.
more like $26,000 or maybe 27K, point is some members are making a quick buck out of other members, whether they wore it or not is irrelevant, theyre not a dealer, theyre not offering any guarantee, and just cos an uninformed noob is willing to pay it doesnt justify the sellers greed , the two threads quoted by Boo should make good reading for anyone who hasnt read them,
http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=31831
http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=81419
Basically this guy buys a rep and posts a thread, raving about it, till some one points out a mafor flaw,
so he goes straight to a different board and tries to get one over on another member, ,his classic line of
''having done the QC for you'', galls me somewhat.
Fact is were seeing too much of it, and cant beleive the way some guys think its ok to do this.
There's no screening process before letting someone become a member at any of the rep forums, and it's become clear to me that we're not all good honest guys. I would say most of us are, but there are also a few who are happy to screw others' for a quick buck. I feel sad and disappointed about that, and I hope the 'good guys' will continue to maintain open dialogue about the unscrupulous practices of the shady/greedy/dishonest few.
Whats sad is, he could have just told the truth, and put the watch up for sale without any conflict. Now the seller must ask himself, was it worth my reputation?thelawnmowerman said:
<-MrZoSo-> said:
What's even sadder is that those who want to make a quick buck do not care about their reputation.
Uh yea, that was the point. BTW, he lost money on the sell, according to the math.mysterio said:<-MrZoSo-> said:
What's even sadder is that those who want to make a quick buck do not care about their reputation.
I totally get it. I know that if I buy a rep person to person I run a risk. The trade off is a cheaper price. If I get something brand new never worn , I would hope the seller would help in contacting the dealer and somhow make it right. I'm an honest seller, I have been the victim of dishonest buyers and sellers. Some from the forums. Turning a profit is wrong, but all bets are off for a nodded piece or rare piece.
Its up to the buyer to educate themselves and a duty for us to assist. So many of the noobs end up on jandrew's site( by design)
person to person it has to be honest and fair. Example: if I buy an eta rep for a cheap price because eta 's at the time were cheap. I should at least get what I paid maybe more for its condition.
Bottom line is we pay too much for this crap both used and new.
Its up to the buyer to educate themselves and a duty for us to assist. So many of the noobs end up on jandrew's site( by design)
person to person it has to be honest and fair. Example: if I buy an eta rep for a cheap price because eta 's at the time were cheap. I should at least get what I paid maybe more for its condition.
Bottom line is we pay too much for this crap both used and new.
watchbuff said:
+1, that's why there are lots of info around (books, online material, forums, resident experts). Basically it is a responsibility to educate oneself really....
its not that much fun selling watches on the board as buying them! the stress of tracking the parcel praying that it doesnt get stop at custom then hoping your description and photos where good enough and that the person likes, it enough not to crucify you, I've delt with some arseholes on ebay who basically want a brand new watch at quarter of the price even when its sold as pre-owned all you get is "theres a wee scratch on the face" why I stopped selling there.
My first two experiences purchasing from trusted dealers located in Asia have been nightmares that took months to sort out. I'm now willing to pay a slight premium to buy from a respected forum member located in the United States. The customs problems, language barriers, and unethical Chinese business practices just aren't worth it.
cybee said:
I had to add that I still believe a seller can asked what they want. I have only sold one watch and that was at a GtG, I've never sold a watch on the board. In fact I have given away for free, many parts and even sent free watches to some members, always covering shipping cost myself.
But I have noticed more recently that there are a couple members that sell fairly regularly here and on more than one occasion these sellers have attempted to sell 'swiss' for 'asian' movements among other misrepresentations of the watches they are selling, and they are long-term members so they KNOW what they are selling. This angers me but stopping short of making public who they are, what else can a person do.
I have a list of members that I will never do business with. Study the sales carefully and eventually your can figure out who to avoid at all cost. Avoid the flakes.
I have done the same. Shipped out some Bell and Rss parts out for free to those in need.
I do see some misrepresentation going on either by not knowing what they have or just merely trying to squeeze a few more $ out of the honest members here.
I have bought my last 3 reps from other members from CONUS . it's more cost effective and I only deal with members that are mebers here for a long time who's posts I am familiar with, and have made numerous posts. Not ones that have 70 or 80 posts and have been members for 3+ years. Aside from them not contributing, they are just here to sell there stuff and move on not contributing one word. Thats an old rant from another thread though.
It's buyer beware, there are just far more fewer sharks in this tank.
I do see some misrepresentation going on either by not knowing what they have or just merely trying to squeeze a few more $ out of the honest members here.
I have bought my last 3 reps from other members from CONUS . it's more cost effective and I only deal with members that are mebers here for a long time who's posts I am familiar with, and have made numerous posts. Not ones that have 70 or 80 posts and have been members for 3+ years. Aside from them not contributing, they are just here to sell there stuff and move on not contributing one word. Thats an old rant from another thread though.
It's buyer beware, there are just far more fewer sharks in this tank.
I do think people should be able to advertise their watches for whatever price they want.
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People should also be allowed to point out politely when such prices are ridiculous and why. Not in a PM to the seller. In the thread, openly.
Then the seller can either explain the reasoning behind the pricing, tell you to go to hell, or whatever. But open communication is a must.
I recently saw a PAM on another forum, unmodded and used, for $300. I got the same one, spanking new, delivered to my door, for about 25% less. I expressed my concern with the high price in the thread, and asked the seller why he was asking such a high price for a used watch. Within a minute I got a warning message from a moderator and my post was deleted. The day after, the watch was sold, probably to a noobie who didn't know better. Sorry, but that's BS. I believe that while sellers can set their own prices, forum members also have the right to express their views openly about such prices, especially when it can save someone else from a lousy deal. After all forums are also about exchanging information, helping each other and fostering a fair trading environment.
BUT...
People should also be allowed to point out politely when such prices are ridiculous and why. Not in a PM to the seller. In the thread, openly.
Then the seller can either explain the reasoning behind the pricing, tell you to go to hell, or whatever. But open communication is a must.
I recently saw a PAM on another forum, unmodded and used, for $300. I got the same one, spanking new, delivered to my door, for about 25% less. I expressed my concern with the high price in the thread, and asked the seller why he was asking such a high price for a used watch. Within a minute I got a warning message from a moderator and my post was deleted. The day after, the watch was sold, probably to a noobie who didn't know better. Sorry, but that's BS. I believe that while sellers can set their own prices, forum members also have the right to express their views openly about such prices, especially when it can save someone else from a lousy deal. After all forums are also about exchanging information, helping each other and fostering a fair trading environment.
Ok, so what's the cutoff for too high an asking price? I see a watch for sale right now on this forum that I bought BRAND NEW FROM A TRUSTED DEALER WITH WARRANTY for the exact same price. Oh, and the seller's 'asking price' is firm.
rooster133 said:
I don't care how politely you try to get your point across, if you do this it is tread craping, and has no place in the sales section of the forum. Ulitmately the value of an item is not what you subjectively think it should be, but what someone is willing to pay for it - that is free enterprise!
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thelawnmowerman said:
LOL, Well,, let me tell you about two new things I have learned from reading this thread..
#1 You have to be a member at Repgeek to be able to read their threads
#2 Apparently I have been banned .... without ever have even signed up (must have gotten my IP address from another board or from a dealers website (can anyone guess who's website?)) :lol:
I must say.. I think this is a first,, I've never been banned from anywhere... especially before I even signed up.. lol..
Imagine,, that board would have gotten about 500% classier the very second I logged on 8) :lol:
@Swissaddict , just make a note of who it is for the future , and dont deal with them, they are fleecing other members who dont know any better, as for how much is too much , well I think if you've got to bump it 9 times, :roll: yes you read correctly 9 times, in a couple of days, then its fair to say its probably too much! :lol:
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