Klink - A Final Decision

[LegendofSpeed]

@maxlove

#1 - Ruby can not get every piece because of the cartel... this is a known fact...

#2 - This board could not be shut down with a couple of phone calls... or do you not think Rolex, Panerai, et al have phones?

#3 - I would not expect him to come to a GTG of a forum he has been banned from... but then it is a free world...

#4 - I have multiple pm's from Klink showing a complete lack of respect for myself and other staff...


If Klink had shown respect both for staff and for the rules of RWI, a banning would have never been necessary...

If anyone on this board deliberately deceives staff, prepare to be banned... simple as that...

 

[horologie_unitas]

well said, Maxlove.

i hope the waves will calm down.

and Klink will be somehow with us again.

by the way....after LoS last post.....i do not really know what was said..... and what happend. only what i could read here.

 

[Maxlove]

@maxlove



#4 - I have multiple pm's from Klink showing a complete lack of respect for myself and other staff...


If Klink had shown respect both for staff and for the rules of RWI, a banning would have never been necessary...

If anyone on this board deliberately deceives staff, prepare to be banned... simple as that...

LOS I know that you may feel this way but it wasn't you he thought was problematic.

I too agree that there would have been a much softer way for him to make his point. I think part of that point was simply that he knows far more about these reps than he mentions or gets credit for and has personal relationships with many manufacturers.

My statement about phone calls was not even close to being a threat from Klink. I, having known him for ages under a lot of tough circumstances know that you don't want him on the other team, you most definitely want him on yours.

I have no reason to lie to you..he has a great deal of respect for you LOS. End of Story. Please just keep an open mind and list to what he has to say, If he tries to say it to you.

Thanks in advance for your openness.

I also want to add that I haven't been drinking the Klinkaid. We can discuss this at another time.

Many Thanks,

MAxlove

 

[watchbuff]

Been reading this and Im sad and glad at once. Klink did have some pearls of wisdom but masked it in an enigmatic way. Im not sure how much he knew about the rep biz but from what I am understanding it's alot.

He was operating on the down low with China Mike and even though he would not be a dealer he was hoping Mike would and Klink would in someway benefit.

I have not seen a post from Klink doing a review, a tutorial, or a plain old photo or wristshot. I know I have been a controversial figure on RWG, got banned for not playing nice with Ziggy and RepGeek was just a fix for Jandrew.

I could not understand what klink was saying but he got real vocal when Daytona was going into consulting. Just shows where Klinks mind was at when sober.
3 seperate threads...c mon.

Anyone could pump out 10k posts with non sense. I have been known as well as others for the one liners. But derailing a thread was just what he could do. Interrupt the flow of dialogue.

I'll miss him for his wit, his wisdom did escape me, and eventually like all voids, it will be filled.

 

[OiRogers]

It's time for RWI move on past Klink. He's gone and he won't be coming back. I'm sorry it ended this way, but the bottom line is that we, as Admin and the Mod Squad, have a duty and responsibilty to the forum membership. And allowing Klink to stay on the boards given his behavior over the last two months was directly harming the forum.

Seanf... want to make sure that we're on the same page here... My prior post wasn't meant as any sort of attack on the Admin/Mod decision here in any way... I agree that it is in the best long term interest of this community for Klink to have removed... You are very correct that his behavior, both public and in private with the staff here, has been harmful to the forum... its a shame to see a long time and very knowledgeable member fall so far that he needs to be removed... but in this case, I see that Klink has gone way too far in his abuse of his unofficial position of an "Anchor" of this forum... he literally became an anchor dragging the entire community down with him. I'm honestly amazed he wasn't permanently removed a few thousand posts ago with the issues that got him removed from Mod status...

I fully support the Admin/Mod decision here, I know it was not an easy decision and I respect that even those that are very well established here aren't above reproach. I thank you and the entire staff for your hard work and dedication to this community, its not always easy to do that which is in the best interest of the community... but it must be done. If your ever in the Southwest Ohio area... the first round of midget strippers is on me. :shock:

My basic thoughts on the entire matter: I think, given Klinks recent behavior, that it was time. The proper decision was made and I support it, even if it is unpopular... you've (Admin/Mods) done the right thing.

 

[seanf]

It's time for RWI move on past Klink. He's gone and he won't be coming back. I'm sorry it ended this way, but the bottom line is that we, as Admin and the Mod Squad, have a duty and responsibilty to the forum membership. And allowing Klink to stay on the boards given his behavior over the last two months was directly harming the forum.

Seanf... want to make sure that we're on the same page here... My prior post wasn't meant as any sort of attack on the Admin/Mod decision here in any way... I agree that it is in the best long term interest of this community for Klink to have removed...

Hey Oi-- I didn't interpret your post like that at all, so we're cool. But, honestly, even if it had been something questioning our decision on this, that would be perfectly fine. Unlike some other forums that we can mention, our attitude is that everyone has a right to speak their mind and voice their opinions (within reason). I freely acknowledge that banning Klink is a controversial move, and it may not be popular with some members. And that's perfectly all right-- they have the right to express their opinion. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the first post in this thread from about a year ago:

http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31682

The OP wrote a pretty scathing critique of how the forum was being run and some recent decisions we had made involving our old friend TTK. And he did so with the expectation that we would ban him. Oh, and I forgot to mention-- the OP was Legend of Speed. Which demonstrates two things. First, I think openness and debate is good and healthy for the forum, and can bring about positive change. Second, I obviously have no friggin' power here at all, because I've been trying to get that fucker LoS banned for a year and now he's ADMIN! God, I hate you, LoS.

 

[andreww]

Like Pugwash, I've had my run-ins with Klink in the past as well, including an unauthorized banning. Since that time we had put our differences behind us, and had many quality chats. It is quite surprising how "normal" a person he is when he is not using his online persona.

That said, I'll never understand why he was ever allowed back after his last banning. He clearly broke the rules back then, and abused his authority. I will honestly tell you that that decision has hurt this forum, so much so that I'm not sure if it will ever recover. RWI, in its heyday was "the" place to be. It had all of the most respected members, dealers, and a moderating staff that seemed committed to our enjoyment of the hobby. Klink,s antics drove many of these members away (including myself), alienated dealers, and caused havoc to the admin team.

Recently, I have made an effort to spend more time here, but quite frankly, Klink's (and a couple of other members) inane postings seem to derail any topic of consequence, and meaningful direction of those threads was quickly lost.

Its a shame. D4M is someone I've known and admired for a long time, yet it was Klink that nearly destroyed our friendship. So much has been lost, yet there are still members that are blind to his destructive ways.

Hopefully this will start an upturn in RWI's fortunes, and that some of the guys that walked away from this mess will soon return.

Cheers, Andrew

 

[Dizzy]

excellent post Andreww!!

Klink has done more damage here than many people can ever understand.

 

[seanf]

Recently, I have made an effort to spend more time here, but quite frankly, Klink's (and a couple of other members) inane postings seem to derail any topic of consequence, and meaningful direction of those threads was quickly lost.

Honestly, this was a major concern to us (separate and apart from the lying to admins and mods). As I mentioned, there's nothing wrong with some off-topic rambling every once in a while, but when you're doing it consistently and in--quite literally--every single thread on the board, it turns into something more damaging and malevolent, for lack of a better word.

Klink had always been a polarizing figure, and, in all honesty, we probably overlooked a lot of stuff from Klink that we should have acted upon sooner. But, because of his history with RWI, his passion for the board, and his unparalleled knowledge of the rep biz, we continued to hope that Klink would knock it off and become a productive member again. But he didn't, and because we didn't initially take any punitive action (although we all PM'd and emailed him on multiple occasions), he became emboldened and thought he could act without consequence. What is really disappointing to me about this is that in Klink's own way, he always thought he was acting in the best interests of the board. But to be blunt, he wasn't. He was actively hurting and dragging down the board. But Klink got so wrapped up in his "Klink" persona that he lost site of that.

And, as Andreww said, it was because of Klink that a lot of people chose not to come here. Hopefully, some of those people--Pugs and Andrew included--will start to feel more comfortable back here. Only time will tell.

 

[njespo]

very sad....

 

[doctorron]

So why doesn't someone say what Klink did?

 

[Dizzy]

We've already stated a few times in this thread what was done

Unauthorized PM's to members advertising a different forum
All the bullshit about his dealer buddy china mike
He tried to set up and frame fakemaster to get him banned
THOUSANDS of nonsensical posts and offensice PM's to the staff...

thats just some of the crap we've had to deal with.. enough is enough... hes been banned many times and this time its perminant. "Klink" is officially retired.

dizz

 

[hk45ca]

So why doesn't someone say what Klink did?

have you not followed any of this?

 

[speedster]

Because

is of top secret

Only CIA/mosad will know of detail of Klinky
:lol:
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Its quite difficult to type like that!!
His posting style seemed to change. I had read old threads in which he typed in plain english like this but his threads while Ive been on the boards have always been the short convoluted posts. Dont get me wrong, a lot of them made me laugh. :lol:

I dont know what has gone on over the years so I will take a back seat on commenting on all that, I did find that, as mentioned by someone else, he was welcoming to noobs which helps integrate them better into the community.
There is a lot that has gone on recently (and as Ive had difficulty getting on here over recent weeks a lot of it has been a big suprise), hopefully we will have a clearer picture once all the dust settles.
Cheers

Paul

 

[doctorron]

Yes, I've followed it. I didn't like what he was saying about D4me. I hated it as a matter of fact. I don't know what he did to FM. I guess I should ask FM. Nonsense-posting - no doubt about it. Guess I wasn't on his Christmas list; he never told me about another forum. I'd like to know though... Sorry to hear he spoke disrespctfully to you guys. Also, I've been the only one who has had negative posts about CMike. I just thought he did something else that nobody wanted to say.

So why doesn't someone say what Klink did?

have you not followed any of this?

 

[Pizzanooo]

It`s long overdue and time to move on.
RIP....Klink.

 

[stevie7s]

I never really cared for his posts. It will be better off without him in here.

 

[sconehead]

We've already stated a few times in this thread what was done

Unauthorized PM's to members advertising a different forum
All the bullshit about his dealer buddy china mike
He tried to set up and frame fakemaster to get him banned
THOUSANDS of nonsensical posts and offensice PM's to the staff...

thats just some of the crap we've had to deal with.. enough is enough... hes been banned many times and this time its perminant. "Klink" is officially retired.

dizz

I received a pm off Klink a while ago which gave me a link to Replica Watch Scams which is allegedly run by Fakey. Is this what all this is really about along with the CM affair?

I have actively backed this forum on other boards and hope I have made the right descision as I'm still on a learning curve which seems to be climbing ever steeper.

Regarding CM, why didn't the mods just give out his contact info right away to diffuse the whole D4M situation?

Why did all and sundry, who now inform us they knew better, congratulate Klink on his 10000th post and even saw fit to give him a special sig under his name?

Why do the mods feel the need to ban somebody for life without giving some sort of public 'cooling off' period?
We've all witnessed those sort of actions before and it seems a bit, well, Geeky, if you know what I mean.

Just like the Hont affair, any info about Klinks wrong doings, apart from his obvious recent attacks at the admins and Klink-speak in posts, should be made available to all members of this forum, a forum which to date I have considered the most honest and open of the bunch... :?

 

[TwoTone]

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[pugwash]

Just like the Hont affair, any info about Klinks wrong doings, apart from his obvious recent attacks at the admins and Klink-speak in posts, should be made available to all members of this forum, a forum which to date I have considered the most honest and open of the bunch... :?

Where was my say when Klink banned me? Where was the proof?

Members are here at the pleasure of the admins. Bans don't need justifying to the membership.

The Hont affair involved dealers and that needed playing with open hands. You should be able to see the difference why.

Klink is gone; a year late but gone.