• Tired of adverts on RWI? - Subscribe by clicking HERE and PMing Trailboss for instructions and they will magically go away!

Super Reps

captainjz16

Active Member
4/6/08
243
3
0
I tried searching to see if this has been done, but I could not find anything. If it has, please disregard.

What watches would you consider as super reps? I've seen the term thrown around and though it would be helpful to those who are in the market.
 

horologie_unitas

Respected Member
3/12/06
5,148
3
38
IWC Costeau Diver

Breitling Super Ocean Steelfish / Heritage

Hublot Big Bang

Graham Chronofighter

they are all pretty SUPER
 

Gill777

Give me 47mm and sandwich dials all day
14/8/07
159
3
18
USA
Breitling Chronomat Evolution. I love mine!
Davidsens. Ultimate 111 H, and 127 If he has any Swiss movements.
 

watchbuff

I'm Pretty Popular
13/2/07
2,622
2
0
The list is short. Mentioned above. The DSN is my choice but all qualify. super reps come at a super price. Some super reps are Frankens.
 

LegendofSpeed

Respected Member
4/5/06
5,722
4
38
DSN's do not fall into the super rep category due to numerous reasons... #1 being that he uses a casetset that is unique to him and is not 1:1...

Super Reps are reps that are typically made with a genuine in hand while they're being made...

In addition to the ones h_u mentioned:

Baume & Mercier Riviera
Chopard Mille Miglia grey dial LE
Porsche Speed 6
Rolex GMT2 ceramic

the list goes on... there are no Panerai super reps due to none of them being made with a genuine in hand....
 

takashi

Legendary Member
4/4/06
11,500
11
0
@LoS: I have to disagree that there exists no Panerai super rep. I have the genuine article on my wrist and it's spot on, only very very minor flaw of subdial not recessed enough and flappy CG lever. Even the rubber feels the same:

P6052296.jpg
 

LegendofSpeed

Respected Member
4/5/06
5,722
4
38
taka.... that's a nice rep.... but not a super rep.. way too many flaws... the date being the worst one.. I know they have updated it but it's still way off if you have been around the real thing...
 

takashi

Legendary Member
4/4/06
11,500
11
0
I agree it should have been bolder but not as bad as many others which claimed to be "super rep" but can't get the datefont right. Just look at the latest ebel too. They claim it's 1:1, gen watch used as replication. The datefont is still not that good too.

Please let us know for other flaws on this piece.
 

rogerwine

Renowned Member
10/7/06
600
0
0
The Pam187 and the 29 with Soprad were considered super-reps when they 1st came out and the 187 was done with a gen in hand. They certainly had flaws that needed fixing, but no super-rep is perfect either, IMHO.
Rogerwine
 

takashi

Legendary Member
4/4/06
11,500
11
0
Sure, Rogerwine! I think you hit the point perfectly here. No reps are 100% perfect to the gen out of box, no matter how the makers/sellers claim it is.
 

LegendofSpeed

Respected Member
4/5/06
5,722
4
38
takashi said:
I agree it should have been bolder but not as bad as many others which claimed to be "super rep" but can't get the datefont right. Just look at the latest ebel too. They claim it's 1:1, gen watch used as replication. The datefont is still not that good too.

Please let us know for other flaws on this piece.

You know what.... I am going to change my opinion and agree with you on this one... the crown to crown guard tolerances notwithstanding, it's pretty good... the caseback looks good and it has a correct series on it...

I wonder if using a lello datewheel in this would fix the date issue as the mag looks good to me...

So, there may just be a Panerai super-rep...
 

takashi

Legendary Member
4/4/06
11,500
11
0
:lol: LoS, are you serious?

Haha... OK, this one is really good as I have handled the gen just yesterday. Bezel is exactly 60 clicks but feel somewhat different from gen. Appearance wise on the wrist, it's really really good and unnoticable. In fact, this is one of the rep which has spot on blue colour of the dial.
 

seanf

Mythical Poster
Advisor
29/11/06
6,011
20
38
It's a good question, and one that I'm glad someone asked. In addition to the "big name" reps above, there are some lesser known reps that I would characterize as "super-reps," but, due to their relative lack of popularity, aren't discussed that much. The Bulgari Assioma is pretty close to being 1:1 (but you won't find a lot of discussion about it, as it's not really most users' style). The Omeeeega Double Eagle Constellation is nearly dead-on. The Cartier Tank Francaise with ETA is pretty good (with the exception of the blue "sapphire" on the crown). With the possible exception of the GMTII (which, according to HK, has it's own set of flaws), there aren't any super-rep Rolexes (for reasons that escape me).


From what I've read, one of the very first reps that could legitimately claim to be a "super-rep" was a PAM 050 (sadly, no longer available at all). But again, since it was a 40mm with a SS bracelet, it didn't get a lot of attention.
 

LegendofSpeed

Respected Member
4/5/06
5,722
4
38
I got my wife one of the first run 050's... it's incredible.... just needs lume and it's good to go....
 

takashi

Legendary Member
4/4/06
11,500
11
0
Agree seanf... Many are just burried and "unknown" to the mass.
 

seanf

Mythical Poster
Advisor
29/11/06
6,011
20
38
LegendOfSpeed said:
I got my wife one of the first run 050's... it's incredible.... just needs lume and it's good to go....

Damn you, man! Those things are nearly impossible to find these days. In fact, both Josh and Andrew (and, by extension, the rest of our "family" of dealers have just taken down all the 40mm Luminors. You can't get them at all anymore. They still have a few on their websites, but the "maker" stopped manufacturing all 40mm Luminors and 42mm Radiomirs about a year ago.

Going back to the Super Reps, I believe the Omeeega Seamaster Chronograph is pretty good, although it's a bit of the luck of the draw as to whether you'll get the correct datewheel font. Also, I think the subdial spacing is a fraction off. The new Speedmaster Date is also good. The so-called "Ultimate" Planet Ocean CAN be a super rep, but this watch has had more quality control problems (misalligned bezels, crooked numbers, incorrectly set datewheel, etc.) than virtually any other rep I've heard about. I've had to take mine into the shop three times-- twice because the hour markers fell off, and once because my bracelet exploded.

The new version of the Vacheron Constantin Overseas with Double AR can probably be called a Super Rep, although certain models lack an accent over the Geneve.

I believe there are quite a few TAGs that would be considered to be Super-reps, but, as I don't particularly like TAGs, I can only tell you what I've read. The Aquaracer Chronograph is good. The Link Automatic Chronograph and the ETA Link Automatic are both super-reps.
 

captainjz16

Active Member
4/6/08
243
3
0
is the carlos coste considered a super? how bout the Corum Admiral's Cup Competition 48? Any mont blanc's, IWC's, VC's, A Lange & Sohne, or Jaeger LeCoultre?
 

dave123

I'm Pretty Popular
20/3/07
1,322
15
38
Some of the more 'unknown' brands are the best reps out there,the picot is one for sure,great rep and very good quality....



P5130075.JPG



The Graham CF Diver is the best made rep,quality wise,thus far....


P5290072.JPG



Just to add those two to the already mentioned....

A couple models of the BCE and the ETA SFSO are high up there in rep quality,the Blackbird is well done also..... 8)
 

moggio

I'm Pretty Popular
25/3/06
2,788
4
0
no super rep ..thats just a fugly claim by all the dealers..even DSN ...

well the one with TAKA ...i could agree with that ..even there are flaws but damn...how many paneristi own this version...its not for their taste ...the only like the base luminor n rad...
 

Klink

Banned member, the goat does not approve
Banned
15/3/06
9,828
0
0
nice to have a list

fro those who know

something

agreeable!

: )

even if the Grey Ham is all

inclusive for peeps what like Jules Vern stuffs

Life is Good!

Klink

:roll: :lol: :shock: 8) :mrgreen: