1138 dollars?

[bunns]

Cartier Santos 100 Chrono TT
Is Andrew really selling this watch for 1138 dollars?

I guess it may be time to buy that effing DOXA that I have been putting off with rep prices like this.

 

[georgegrasser]

I had assumed it was a misprint. Has to be??????

 

[Hambone]

It has a 7753 movement in it which is a superb engine for a watch, almost identical to the gen, that is why it is a higher price and well worth it.

 

[wj94]

Can't you buy a 7753 movement for ~$500?

 

[bunns]

It has a 7753 movement in it which is a superb engine for a watch, almost identical to the gen, that is why it is a higher price and well worth it.

Do you really think that a rep with a swiss 7753 and no warranty is worth as much as a swiss made DOXA with 2824 (inferior movement, I know) or a gen Omega Seamaster 300 with a 2892? I do realize that this all comes down to aesthetics in the end, but there must be a limit, no?

 

[MICAVI]

It has a 7753 movement in it which is a superb engine for a watch, almost identical to the gen, that is why it is a higher price and well worth it.

Well worth it? Really?.........I guess everyone has their own opinion here. Any replica over $1000 is only purchased by a person that has no sense. Once you start spending that kind of money you might as well buy a genuine. If you can spend a $1000 on a replica then you could suck it up and spend $2-3000 on a genuine and there are so many nice genuine watches in that price range. That's just my logic, when I buy a rep I go by my own little rule of thirds, if I could get a nice gen for 3x the money then I have to pass. If a rep is $500 and the genuien is $1500, I pass, etc.




I just went to andrew's site and what do you know, more bullshit lies and false advertising from Andrew. I really think Andrew should quit the bullshit or leave the forum. His listing says in the title (14k Solid):

From dictionary.com

Solid- forming the whole; consisting entirely of one substance or material: solid gold.


Then read the actual description and it says that it is wrapped and/ or plated. It also says the case is 18K and the bezel is 14k, the case isn't gold so what else besides the buckle or bezel is gold Andrew? You must be referring to the bezel so what is it? 14k or 18k? Or do you even know? It's probably neither, I bet it's at best 10k, hardly even gold. This is blatant false advertising meant to mislead buyers. Once again Andrew I will say that I think you are a SCAMMER. Give it a few months and Andrew will probably have some Swiss Grade 1AAA++++ watches for sale. "Ultimate" "Perfect", etc that is one thing, but SOLID is pretty unambiguous, if you say solid, it better be solid or else you better find a different word. If you'd like I will buy you a dictionary and thesaurus.


Quit the bullshit Andrew.



...what's your excuse this time?

 

[bunns]

It has a 7753 movement in it which is a superb engine for a watch, almost identical to the gen, that is why it is a higher price and well worth it.

Well worth it? Really?.........I guess everyone has their own opinion here. Any replica over $1000 is only purchased by a person that has no sense. Once you start spending that kind of money you might as well buy a genuine. If you can spend a $1000 on a replica then you could suck it up and spend $2-3000 on a genuine and there are so many nice genuine watches in that price range. That's just my logic, when I buy a rep I go by my own little rule of thirds, if I could get a nice gen for 3x the money then I have to pass. If a rep is $500 and the genuien is $1500, I pass, etc.

Couldn't agree more. I saw the Omega Seamaster 300m at Costco the other day for 1300 bucks. Amazon sells the automatic version for 1399. Why anyone would spend 1138 for a rep is beyond me.......then again I spent 390 for a DSN fiddy when TWP had an unmodded version a while back for 120...

 

[seraphe]

Let's see...

7753 in Ofrei is $496. Suppose the movement is bought in bulk... $450.

That means this rep w/o movement is $688??!!!?!

Goodness! That's more expensive than any other (super) reps I've seen so far...

 

[bunns]

Well---that is some sweet ass 14k gold on the bezel, seraphe. That alone costs at least 20-25 bucks.

 

[seraphe]

Thank goodness he didn't add 'diamonds' on it. I'd not be able to afford another $500 more.

 

[MK08]

But is it very rare and sought after Swiss Gold that alone would justify the price hike. Maybe we need a new catagory, Super-Ultra-Extreme Reps

 

[BLL]

yeah......i hate to say that, but andrew&josh....you guys have been pushing the shit way too far........monopoly is not doning any good to noone.....

I use to be a fan of you two.........yeah....use to.......

right now/????? I wouldnt even bother to go to your sites. exactlly....you dont need customers like me....I am just a cheap retard cant afford a 1000 dpllar watch.....hahahahah....

for newbles......you guys for sure should go with these two HUGE_CUSTOMER_CARE dealers......they offer watches like 100dollar less than those scam sites such as idealwatch :lol: you save big bucks 8)

 

[pugwash]

Let's see...

7753 in Ofrei is $496. Suppose the movement is bought in bulk... $450.

With tax, the 7753 is over $500. Now, add the cost of making the watch, $100 in gold and parts? Add the standard markup and you get ... just over $1000. It's ridiculous, but that's the breakdown.

I'm not defending Andrew, I'm merely questioning your selling parts at the price you buy them theory.

 

[MICAVI]

Let's see...

7753 in Ofrei is $496. Suppose the movement is bought in bulk... $450.

With tax, the 7753 is over $500. Now, add the cost of making the watch, $100 in gold and parts? Add the standard markup and you get ... just over $1000. It's ridiculous, but that's the breakdown.

I'm not defending Andrew, I'm merely questioning your selling parts at the price you buy them theory.

There's no way there's anywhere near $100 Dollars worth of gold on that watch.

Let's say the movement is approx. $400 ( I doubt they pay tax), which is probably what they get it for. Ofrei's movts. are already marked up.

You can get a similar non-eta faux chrono for under $100 which is marked up and not the cost to build, asian movt is probably only like 20 dollars and then say there's a 20 dollar mark up(atleast) on a $100 dollar watch. So take 40 off of 100. So on the high end of things it might cost around $50-60 dollars for the case and strap, etc.


So....

Swiss 7753 (if what you end up getting is really a 7753) - $400
Gold Plating which is advertised as 14kt - $50 at best.
Case and Strap, everything else needed to put the watch together- $50.
(Handling Charges- $600)

Cost to build: $500 at best.

After shipping you're paying about double the cost to build. Now andrew probably doesn't work for the factories, who knows though? So he might pay like $550-600 for the watch. Does a $3-600 dollar profit for Andrew seem right, for one watch? I'm all for making money at this and seeing our "good" dealers do well.


My math could be a little off, but not by much. A Tag Heuer with a basic automatic movt. is easily had for under $1500 and their watches are built with "skilled labor" and high quality parts. Plus a warranty and you have to buy from an authorized dealer, etc. So they have to pay their laborers a decent wage, then sell it to the AD which then marks it up again and sells it to you. So Andrew, by asking this kind of price, is trying to say it costs them as much if not more than Tag Heuer to build a watch. But Andrew doesn't believe in the quality enough to give you a 3 yr warranty or guarantee any sort of waterproof"ness''. He may make promises, but what good is a promise from a guy on the other side of the world? Maybe you bought a nice Ferrari or a nice sail boat, I don't know Andrew, but for some reason you've decide to cross over into scammer territory.

 

[pugwash]

After shipping you're paying about double the cost to build. Now andrew probably doesn't work for the factories, who knows though? So he might pay like $550-600 for the watch. Does a $3-600 dollar profit for Andrew seem right, for one watch? I'm all for making money at this and seeing our "good" dealers do well.

If it were a Rolex AD, and they paid $600 for it, they'd sell it at $1000. That's standard mark-up for most businesses. Wholesale is 60% of retail. When I had a games company, we were producing books (paper-based RPGs) and selling them at 60% of retail to shops and 40% of retail to distributors. No-one ever had a go at us for setting the retail price at more than twice what it cost to make because you had to do that to stay in business.

TTK pays a now very well-known $220 for MBK vintage Rolexes and resells at a very reasonable $350. That's 62% of retail he's paying. Look familiar?

Like I said, I'm not defending Andrew per se, as I think it's a stupid price to pay for a counterfeit watch.

 

[Pix]

You can explain many things and find a reason for this price... But, right, the true question is, as for the 28xx ETAs, is this a brand new, unused, unfrankened, genuine serviced 7753 ? After the last discussions about movements we had on the boards (ETA 2824 clones, Sellita SW200 etc...), I would not be very confident in a Swiss 7753. the same way I am not confident in Swiss 28xx anymore, I mean the one we find in our reps.

As Ziggy said, the Asian 7750 is just as good once serviced. Which advantage does a Swiss 7753 bring then ?
That's too much. And, as for the HBB, as long as there will be customers for this, prices will increase. I don't follow.
Well, it's been a long time now I haven't followed anymore. I stopped at 258 dollars :lol:

 

[pugwash]

As Ziggy said, the Asian 7750 is just as good once serviced. Which advantage does a Swiss 7753 bring then ?

An unrecesed datewheel?

If the datewheel is not recessed, it's 100% certain it's a real 7753.

 

[MICAVI]

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After shipping you're paying about double the cost to build. Now andrew probably doesn't work for the factories, who knows though? So he might pay like $550-600 for the watch. Does a $3-600 dollar profit for Andrew seem right, for one watch? I'm all for making money at this and seeing our "good" dealers do well.

If it were a Rolex AD, and they paid $600 for it, they'd sell it at $1000. That's standard mark-up for most businesses. Wholesale is 60% of retail. When I had a games company, we were producing books (paper-based RPGs) and selling them at 60% of retail to shops and 40% of retail to distributors. No-one ever had a go at us for setting the retail price at more than twice what it cost to make because you had to do that to stay in business.

TTK pays a now very well-known $220 for MBK vintage Rolexes and resells at a very reasonable $350. That's 62% of retail he's paying. Look familiar?

Like I said, I'm not defending Andrew per se, as I think it's a stupid price to pay for a counterfeit watch.

I understand what you are saying, but this isn't a normal $600 dollar watch. This is a $250 dollar watch with a $400 dollar movt. that will essentially be put into the same watch that sells for $250 or so. When you buy from an AD you get a warranty, you can actually take it to a jeweler, they're hand-made, they actual have some QC standards, etc. You are going from Rolex which has huge ad campaigns, sponsorships etc to the AD which has to pay 5-10 employees a day and a hefty lease and then on to the consumer. These things justify a mark-up. What justifies a $500ish profit for Andrew? He takes a lot of risk, but not really as much as you'd think, if you know what you're doing and you're not in the US you can be pretty safe about things. We have two US based dealers and if they're safe, Andrew's safe. SWISS MADE = $$$ Made in China = Cheap, Cheap, Cheap...right? I have tried to see how a $1200+ dollar price tag is justifiable on this watch and a few others on Andrew's site and there's just no way. I honestly see very little difference between Andrew's site and a site such as the one touted by Replica Center. Certainly no one would expect this watch to be "cheap", a reasonable price to me would be about $750. That's about the same profit as an Asian version + $50-100 profit for adding the 7753. Comparing the business practices or Rolex AD's to those of Replica dealers is apples to oranges in my opinion. Okay maybe orchard grown apples farmed by professionals with lots of quality care to apples from someone's dying little apple tree in their backyard. Neil is buying a watch in high demand that is very hard to get, etc. He checks each watch and you get some kind of QC. That also includes shipping. He probably nets about $100 at best on the sale of an MBW. A dealer making $100-$175 on a watch is a pretty good deal for the dealer and I think most of us don't mind paying that. I do have a problem with a dealer making somewhere around $500 dollars off me or other members.


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[Pix]

As Ziggy said, the Asian 7750 is just as good once serviced. Which advantage does a Swiss 7753 bring then ?

An unrecesed datewheel?

If the datewheel is not recessed, it's 100% certain it's a real 7753.

... But, right, the true question is, as for the 28xx ETAs, is this a brand new, unused, unfrankened, genuine serviced 7753 ?

 

[MICAVI]

As Ziggy said, the Asian 7750 is just as good once serviced. Which advantage does a Swiss 7753 bring then ?

An unrecesed datewheel?

If the datewheel is not recessed, it's 100% certain it's a real 7753.

... But, right, the true question is, as for the 28xx ETAs, is this a brand new, unused, unfrankened, genuine serviced 7753 ?

And someone correct me if I'm wrong, but having a 7753 doesn't mean a problem free watch, didn't the PAM Daylight w/ Swiss 7753 have some issues? Maybe not, but still where has the 7753 going into these reps been? You would probably want to get the movt. serviced fairly soon to be safe and that is another expense.


Speaking of the Daylight, Silix used to sell a Daylight with 7753 for around $650. Take that and add some gold and you're at about $700ish. So I'd say that my estimate of $750 as a fair price would be about right.