Got called out today...

[drfcfighter]

I guess this discussion poked us where it hurts, lol.

Long thread...

Oh well... life goes on. Maxse got caught off-guard, and it can happen to any of us; better rep next time!

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[hk45ca]

Anyone saying it's how you were dressed or it was your age is talking with a paper as$hole. No offence gents but you do not live in the the real world, where all walks of life have the money to buy wtfe they want.

Er ... 99 times out of 100, we'd be right, though. No ifs, no buts, those are odds I like. I hear it every time we have this kind of thread with HK going on about a guy he knows with gazillions of dollars wearing a Hessian sack and a datejust, but it doesn't change the fact that if you're wearing shitty clothes and a Bentley, it's 99 times out of 100 a fake.

Sure, if you're in oil country, and it's not some kid, it could be real and that's the 1%. Even I know a guy who wears nothing but tracksuits unless his wife dresses him for an event, and he's got a solid gold president, but that doesn't change the odds.

Oh, and the jeweler was right. That is an inescapable fact.

i hate to tell you this pugs but the more you talk the more you show you know nothing about where i live. lol, here we have oil men, horse ranchers, cattle ranchers and the owners of the worlds largest retailer. the rule of thumb isn't bently's and armani. it is a 4wd truck, a stetson cowboy hat and blue jeans. i understand for you it is all about european standards but here nobody cares about europe or their standards. you do know that sam walton drove a 1976 ford f150 4wd until he died, right?

it is the normal attire here, get over it.

 

[Jumbie]

i hate to tell you this pugs but the more you talk the more you show you know nothing about where i live. lol, here we have oil men, horse ranchers, cattle ranchers and the owners of the worlds largest retailer. the rule of thumb isn't bently's and armani. it is a 4wd truck, a stetson cowboy hat and blue jeans. i understand for you it is all about european standards but here nobody cares about europe or their standards. you do know that sam walton drove a 1976 ford f150 4wd until he died, right?

it is the normal attire here, get over it.

Obviously I agree with pugwash.

That may be the norm in your neck of the woods but it's hardly the case everywhere. Most of us don't live with people who own oil wells, etc. There are tons of young (and older) celebs (musicians, actors, etc.) who wear "normal" or even cheap-looking clothes that I wouldn't be caught dead in. Hell, Bill Gates looks like he buys his clothes are Target. Obviously they have the $ to go for the designer gear if they so choose. But they represent the very, very small minority rather than the masses.

If you live among the afluent who choose to wear jeans and a cowboy hat, that your reality but if you went to most malls in America (since you seem to be in the US), for example, and saw someone in jeans and $10 t-shirt and someone else in a tailored (or even off the rack designer suit) which do you think would be more likely to be wearing a real [choose your expensive brand] watch?

 

[RWIGWH]

This is how we learn about each other. I understand pugs and others point. It's a good one. But it doesn't make it right. It all depends on were you are coming from. I can understand to Hk45ca's point also. My future wife's family is from KY. They were nothing like I expected. I was nothing like they expected. We learned a lot about each other in a short time. Assuming is wrong. This is a fact. Never judge a book by its cover is an old adage that works well here.

 

[pugwash]

i hate to tell you this pugs but the more you talk the more you show you know nothing about where i live. lol, here we have oil men, horse ranchers, cattle ranchers and the owners of the worlds largest retailer. the rule of thumb isn't bently's and armani. it is a 4wd truck, a stetson cowboy hat and blue jeans. i understand for you it is all about european standards but here nobody cares about europe or their standards. you do know that sam walton drove a 1976 ford f150 4wd until he died, right?

it is the normal attire here, get over it.

Firstly, I don't know who Sam Walton it and secondly, did you say you were in oil country? I specifically said that you can't be sure in oil country. Did you miss that bit of my diatribe?

Yes, if you're living in exceedingly rich parts of the world, the rules change. Duh. If your neighbour is Billy Joel, then you're not in a backyard BBQ and Fake Bentley region. Still, 99% of people are.

HK, You're doing exactly what you're accusing me of: assuming everywhere else is just like where you live.

 

[andreww]

Obviously there is always exceptions to every rule. I'd have to agree with Pug however in that 99% of the time, a guy that wears a expensive watch will look the part.

I've got a little burger store next door, and the guy that works the cash wears a large Bentley. Now, I believe he either owns or manages the store, so what do you think the odd of it being a gen are? Now if you were flipping fries all day, would you wear a $10k watch to do it? Of course it may be gen, but if I had to bet I'd say it was a fake. And btw, first thing I would do would be to press the chrono start button

 

[hk45ca]

i hate to tell you this pugs but the more you talk the more you show you know nothing about where i live. lol, here we have oil men, horse ranchers, cattle ranchers and the owners of the worlds largest retailer. the rule of thumb isn't bently's and armani. it is a 4wd truck, a stetson cowboy hat and blue jeans. i understand for you it is all about european standards but here nobody cares about europe or their standards. you do know that sam walton drove a 1976 ford f150 4wd until he died, right?

it is the normal attire here, get over it.

Obviously I agree with pugwash.

That may be the norm in your neck of the woods but it's hardly the case everywhere. Most of us don't live with people who own oil wells, etc. There are tons of young (and older) celebs (musicians, actors, etc.) who wear "normal" or even cheap-looking clothes that I wouldn't be caught dead in. Hell, Bill Gates looks like he buys his clothes are Target. Obviously they have the $ to go for the designer gear if they so choose. But they represent the very, very small minority rather than the masses.

If you live among the afluent who choose to wear jeans and a cowboy hat, that your reality but if you went to most malls in America (since you seem to be in the US), for example, and saw someone in jeans and $10 t-shirt and someone else in a tailored (or even off the rack designer suit) which do you think would be more likely to be wearing a real [choose your expensive brand] watch?

generally here (in my neck of the woods) when you see that? it is somebody trying too hard. like i already said, the car is least, the watch is fake and they are making payments on the rest of the stuff.

obviously you have never been here either. the malls here are full of yuppies that are 1 paycheck away from bankruptcy and want to be somebody so bad it is sad.

 

[RWIGWH]

I have attended backyard functions where you had all kinds of income variants, from a rock star to a garbage man. That is the way it's done where I am from.

 

[Jumbie]

Assuming is wrong. This is a fact. Never judge a book by its cover is an old adage that works well here.

I completely agree with you. Make no mistake about that. I wish that were the case and it would be in an ideal world.

But no matter how many times we're exposed to examples of people (or things or places) being different than we expect, I still think it's human nature to make those assumptions based on our perceptions and society (barring people like hk who live in oil country).

I am well aware that lots of people have much more money than they appear to have. Yet, just last month when I was travelling, I was boarding the flight and noticed some guy sitting in first class who looked like he was wearing clothes that cost $5. Total. Including his shoes. And my first thought, I'm sorry to say, was "How is THAT guy in first class?" My second was, "Maybe his company is paying for it or he got a free upgrade."

Maybe I'm a bad, uneducated, ignorant person for thinking that but I'm willing to bet that most other people would have a similar first impression of the guy based on his appearance (even if he had $308 billion dollars in his bank account). And if they saw a Rolex on his wrist (using that as an example of the layperson's "gold standard" of an expensive watch) they'd probably think it was fake.

 

[maxse]

ok, my opinion.. A very flashy, non discret watch, with a very very high retail price, on a young guy that IMO, no offence, doesn't have a good sense of fashion. 1+1= 2, ok?

Just as Pug stated, the odds are against him.

Still the guy that called the him out, sure was an asshole with no manners at all.

No sense of fashion? Who said that? for your info, it was a black wife beater with black pants so it looked pretty cool and relax and the steel watch set it off nicely at least I think so.

It's just that when I see someone wearing a nice watch even if I realize it's a rep I still compliment that person. I mean rep or gen it is still a nice watch. The date font doesnt make the watch any less nicer. So I just compliment that person, and if they are wearing a rep it makes them feel even better. That's just the way I see it; I guess Dale Carnegie's book had quite the influence on me.

 

[hk45ca]

i hate to tell you this pugs but the more you talk the more you show you know nothing about where i live. lol, here we have oil men, horse ranchers, cattle ranchers and the owners of the worlds largest retailer. the rule of thumb isn't bently's and armani. it is a 4wd truck, a stetson cowboy hat and blue jeans. i understand for you it is all about european standards but here nobody cares about europe or their standards. you do know that sam walton drove a 1976 ford f150 4wd until he died, right?

it is the normal attire here, get over it.

Firstly, I don't know who Sam Walton it and secondly, did you say you were in oil country? I specifically said that you can't be sure in oil country. Did you miss that bit of my diatribe?

Yes, if you're living in exceedingly rich parts of the world, the rules change. Duh. If your neighbour is Billy Joel, then you're not in a backyard BBQ and Fake Bentley region. Still, 99% of people are.

HK, You're doing exactly what you're accusing me of: assuming everywhere else is just like where you live.

no pugs, if you will read again i started my opinion by saying "where i live" i understand the way things are perceived in other places and i also know how things are where i live.

sam walton was the founder of wal-mart and one of the richest men in the world until his death. wal-mart is the largest and most powerful retailer in the world.

you said i was in oil country, i said, here there were oil men, cattle ranchers and horse ranchers.

 

[pugwash]

Guys, you're still missing the inescapable fact that the jeweler was right!

 

[Jumbie]

obviously you have never been here either. the malls here are full of yuppies that are 1 paycheck away from bankruptcy and want to be somebody so bad it is sad.

I have no idea where "here" is so I'd have to say no. And I've never lived in oil country so probably not.

But I have been to several US states (I'm Canadian by the way) and those are my observations.

By your example however (and I agree that many people live beyond their means), a person is much more likely to dress up then to dress down i.e. a poorer person strives to look like they have money. Rich people [usually] don't strive to look like they're hurting for cash. Most of those "oil barons" probably wear their jeans and casio G-shock watch cause it's what they're comfortable in and they just don't care cause that's the norm in Here, USA.

Take said oil baron and transplant him to Elsewhere, USA where that is not the norm and stick a $50k watch on their wrist and I'm willing to bet their entire bank account (if I had that kind of money to bet) that the majority of people look at it (pug's 99%) would think it's fake.

 

[Steve Podborski]

They say you can't judge a book by it's cover. But how many times have you opened a book that said 'bible' and it turned out to be a dictionary?

I'm lucky that I live in oil country. There's also a massive real estate boom going on here, so anything goes...

 

[hk45ca]

Guys, you're still missing the inescapable fact that the jeweler was right![/quote

you are missing the point pugs, he made a guess and got lucky. once handed the watch he couldn't back up his claims. you don't have to crack open the watch to tell it is a rep.

 

[RWIGWH]

Assuming is wrong. This is a fact. Never judge a book by its cover is an old adage that works well here.

I completely agree with you. Make no mistake about that. I wish that were the case and it would be in an ideal world.

But no matter how many times we're exposed to examples of people (or things or places) being different than we expect, I still think it's human nature to make those assumptions based on our perceptions and society (barring people like hk who live in oil country).

I am well aware that lots of people have much more money than they appear to have. Yet, just last month when I was travelling, I was boarding the flight and noticed some guy sitting in first class who looked like he was wearing clothes that cost $5. Total. Including his shoes. And my first thought, I'm sorry to say, was "How is THAT guy in first class?" My second was, "Maybe his company is paying for it or he got a free upgrade."

Maybe I'm a bad, uneducated, ignorant person for thinking that but I'm willing to bet that most other people would have a similar first impression of the guy based on his appearance (even if he had $308 billion dollars in his bank account). And if they saw a Rolex on his wrist (using that as an example of the layperson's "gold standard" of an expensive watch) they'd probably think it was fake.

I understand your point. A backyard BBQ..A jeweler...A guy with a fake watch...The Jeweler should have kept his mouth shut IMO. He had more to lose then anyone by calling someone out. IMO he was wrong to do so. You never know who or why someone is wearing a replica. If he would have walked up to him and said..Hey man..nice fake...if you ever want to step up to the real thing come see me..I could understand it. But to go around telling everyone the guys wearing a fake watch is just retarded.

 

[andreww]

Guys, you're still missing the inescapable fact that the jeweler was right![/quote

you are missing the point pugs, he made a guess and got lucky. once handed the watch he couldn't back up his claims. you don't have to crack open the watch to tell it is a rep.

Point to hk45ca

 

[pugwash]

you are missing the point pugs, he made a guess and got lucky. once handed the watch he couldn't back up his claims. you don't have to crack open the watch to tell it is a rep.

I still don't think it was a guess. I could spot a rep from yards away and it wouldn't be by looking at fonts or pressing buttons. What the jeweler was doing was trying to find easy proof it was fake.

I've not missed the point at all; we just have different opinions. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Jumbie]

I understand your point. A backyard BBQ..A jeweler...A guy with a fake watch...The Jeweler should have kept his mouth shut IMO. He had more to lose then anyone by calling someone out. IMO he was wrong to do so. You never know who or why someone is wearing a replica. If he would have walked up to him and said..Hey man..nice fake...if you ever want to step up to the real thing come see me..I could understand it. But to go around telling everyone the guys wearing a fake watch is just retarded.

Agreed. I said as much earlier.

He was retarded and classless. Not debating that as I think we're on the same page here.

What I'm continuing to discuss, however, is the fact that no matter how much we want it to be different (and it is in certain circles/areas) the fact remains that the majority of people IMO will assume that someone who doesn't look the part of being wealthy is likely not and that is the reason the jeweller guessed (cause that's what I think he did) that the watch was a rep (even though it actually was) and called the OP on it; acting like an asshole in the process and afterwards.

 

[andreww]

Im gonna have to agree with hk45ca on this point. I dont think you can positively spot AR from a distance on an arm that is moving. I have good eyes, and a fair eye for what is real or fake. I can't positively call fake without a clear look from fairly close. Besides, this guy didn't even mention AR.