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benjji

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Live1, walk to rolex store (i behind you ahahah) :couple_inlove:


too many illusions for v3. do you think noob will correct all insert? this is not good choice for the factory.. otherwise the game ends.

do you mean gen insert on bp/noob is wasted?




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i dont think its worth spending 1500 on a gen insert its too expensive.but if i can get one for 600 it would be very worthy of the bp or noob v2 build
 

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i dont think its worth spending 1500 on a gen insert its too expensive.but if i can get one for 600 it would be very worthy of the bp or noob v2 build

sure, max 600$ used insert..the problem is the cristal, i don know the price (only gen with lec)
 

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gen crystal with lec no ar .just pull off the cyclops
 

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gen crystal with lec no ar .just pull off the cyclops if you want.ive not seen the no date lec gen crystals for sale
 

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tc don't make ceramic subs
 

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next june i have to present my new rolex to my family and friends.. it must be "genuine"for all..

therefore i have to go with TC .. ( or with bpsd with genuine dial and insert, tc hands, bracelet, crown)....

which will be more real between the two ? i like more sd than sub 166.. the dream is subC, but it's not closer to gen...although i have 1200$ to spend fot this project
 

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neither of them lol.why do u want to pretend you're rep is gen.ive told you before u need a gen.no rolex rep ive seen can pass for gen apart from a sean case franken with everything gen on it,including movement
 

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1200 you should get a tc v6,get a gen insert,gen crystal,and gen crown and tube,an st bezel,get these wilst saving for a gen bracelet and 3135,gen dial and hands .even with all these mods its still not real
ps also gen dwo as tc dwov3 is too thick font
 

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All these details will be redundant as soon as you hand the watch over to a gen owner, let alone a dealer/watch smith. The feel is what always gave my TC's away - even with a lot of work to bracelet it still didn't cut it as the case just feels off somehow. I had one TC once that had been repolished and brushed by a guy working at a Rolex AD with the correct machinery. This one I would argue could pass off as gen. Most gen owners do NOT pay any attention to the small details we obsess about, and in this regard I think that my noob V2 sub-c is doing a great job, a few gen owners have held it and thanks to the magnificent bracelet and smoooooth bezel operation they did not call it out. The difference in date-mag, insert etc. will most often be "blamed" on year-to-year variations that most gen owners do not know about. I am beginning to learn more and more that if a rep FEELS exclusive - and the newer Noobs do - only a very very limited crowd will suspect anything. I hope the V3 gets the insert better, and would be nice if the lume on the hands were not so white in daylight, buuuut as for feel and exclusive factor the Noob people raelly got it figured out - they must have some pretty great machinery in the factory to make these things.

I have just sold off a Sean franken, and to be honest I don't think anyone would call this out, gen owner or AD, because it just feels so damn gen-like - oozes quality and all the critical parts for details are gen. I think TC has got some great eyes for detail, but I think they still lack in the most important aspects - case finish, bracelet finish and bezel operation. The whole thing might look good but it just feels darn cheap. The 16610 bracelet is notorious for rattling like a bastard, but the WAY it rattles is quite unique and is hard to replicate - although it can be done with serious sanding and polishing to each link. TC - get a better finish of the case and a better bezel and we would have a winner.
 

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like i said no rep rolex can truly pass a gen.other than maybe a sean with everything gen inc movement ,braclet etc ,he needs to buy a gen,i can tell he wants total perfection
 

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@mrtouloise,
about the bezel , it'n not a probelm, gen bezel is not so expensive... the problem on Tc is the HANDS ! the hands is a great problem .. and for the new ceramic models even more.. it's needed more relief , crisp and brilliance...

in other forum i read TC is trying to figure out how to mount gen hands in clone movements. I hope he succeeds.
 

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In my experience, even most gen owners can't tell that a TC is not gen. I wrote a post awhile ago when I handed my euromariner over to my buddy (who is an avid watch collector) and he swore it was gen. So much so, he was hesitant to take off his gen in fear of mixing them up. I think we obsess over the details much more than any gen owners. My thoughts are buy what you like and 99% of the people can't tell if its a rep or gen and if you get a TC, 99.9% can't tell. Just my thoughts!
 

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next june i have to present my new rolex to my family and friends.. it must be "genuine"for all..

therefore i have to go with TC .. ( or with bpsd with genuine dial and insert, tc hands, bracelet, crown)....

which will be more real between the two ? i like more sd than sub 166.. the dream is subC, but it's not closer to gen...although i have 1200$ to spend fot this project


Mate, if your family is switched on enough that you are worried by the hands no rep is going to be good enough to fool them. Why so obsessed with "presenting" it to your family? Is this supposed to be some measure of your success or did you get monies to buy a gen that you have spent elsewhere?

If it is the former than you must have a very shallow family, if the latter then shame on you.

To be honest I feel that reps may not be for you, save up and buy the gen because no rep is going to do what you want.
 

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In my experience, even most gen owners can't tell that a TC is not gen. I wrote a post awhile ago when I handed my euromariner over to my buddy (who is an avid watch collector) and he swore it was gen. So much so, he was hesitant to take off his gen in fear of mixing them up. I think we obsess over the details much more than any gen owners. My thoughts are buy what you like and 99% of the people can't tell if its a rep or gen and if you get a TC, 99.9% can't tell. Just my thoughts!

Very true. Most people don't know the difference. It's us, the rep owners who bitch and moan about the littlest things that most gen owners won't even notice.


Sent from 1:1 app mad with a gen Tapatalk as sample.
 

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Mate, if your family is switched on enough that you are worried by the hands no rep is going to be good enough to fool them. Why so obsessed with "presenting" it to your family? Is this supposed to be some measure of your success or did you get monies to buy a gen that you have spent elsewhere?

If it is the former than you must have a very shallow family, if the latter then shame on you.
To be honest I feel that reps may not be for you, save up and buy the gen because no rep is going to do what you want.

My family does not care if I have rolex or 50$ swatch. I realized that with my job I have save money to get genuine for another 10 years at least and i dont want to save up for another 10 years .. I would like to make them believe that my job allows me to get it..
 

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In my experience, even most gen owners can't tell that a TC is not gen. I wrote a post awhile ago when I handed my euromariner over to my buddy (who is an avid watch collector) and he swore it was gen. So much so, he was hesitant to take off his gen in fear of mixing them up. I think we obsess over the details much more than any gen owners. My thoughts are buy what you like and 99% of the people can't tell if its a rep or gen and if you get a TC, 99.9% can't tell. Just my thoughts!


agree wit you, for Tc .. not for sub C..

and for BPSd modded ?
 

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there is further problem that got me now if my choose is for BPSD all modded. although i can fit in gen dial , there is the risk that gen marker will not match with lumen of tc hands. too many problems, the fastest solution is tc
 

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Why don't you go vintage? Lots of nice builds come up for sale on here and the other fora. The thing about older models - especially when they have been made to look used and worn, is that first of all the older the watch is, the more variance you will have from one gen to the next, because of so many years of use and re-polish etc. and that makes your rep seem more plausible - there is a larger margin for difference. On top of that not many people have seen these older models in real life, and while a handful of people you meet will have held or had a 16610 or 116610 at some point, a lot fewer have had or held a 16800 1680 5513/12 or whatever. The newer the watch you are replicating the higher the bar for perfection is.