The truth about "refurbished" ETA movements.

[chaw6125]

I wanted to know the answer if what was under the label lol. Not the ETA vs clone. I would always buy clone and put my own Swiss movement from cousins in.


______________
Need sec @ 6 module for daytona.

http://forum.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=165206

 

[torobravo]

Yes, Luth is right, and the last 2 or 3 years there was a 300% of increasing in the price

 

[sub4me]

Hes right about what??

 

[d4m.test]

Hes right about what??

Everything.

Sent from my SM-N900W8 using Tapatalk 2

 

[sub4me]

 

[NFleischer]

Well the shock protection on the balance jewel is surely of clone origin, its only got one cut out for the retaining spring.
The real ETAs have three notches.

The rest of the movement looks very convincing however.

+1! BTW- Luth, if the ETAs were just NOS, they shouldn't have worn down teeth or mismatched gears.

I agree, the BP factory seems to be the worst offender. I do think Noob will put some new mov'ts - but have have to pay a lot.

Yes, Toro is right, it used to be $50-75 extra for ETA now, it's $150-200.

 

[honeybear]

+1! BTW- Luth, if the ETAs were just NOS, they shouldn't have worn down teeth or mismatched gears.

I agree, the BP factory seems to be the worst offender. I do think Noob will put some new mov'ts - but have have to pay a lot.

Yes, Toro is right, it used to be $50-75 extra for ETA now, it's $150-200.

I think Mary implied as much about the "new" but really recycled and refurbished Swiss movements installed in BP factory watches, and this was true even two years ago.

 

[P4GTR]

So what's under the sticker Luth?

 

[Luthier]

No idea yet, still wearing the watch. Later will try.

 

[jaykay]

So is the general consensus to get a 2813 clone for $100 less rather than a supposed ETA 2836?

Would the ETA not be better in the long run if both were to be serviced?

 

[egroegart]

I would not agree with that. the 2813 is the wrong movement. and does not sweep like the genuine and even the one that is calibrated to sweep smoother is crap. get the right movement. no need for swiss, they are usually refurbished or just pieced together movements, whereas the asian clones like the 2836 are brand new and are bullet proof. a proven movement that is reliable and moves exactly like the gen. If you get a 2813. that's the biggest tell in my opinion that it's fake is that tick and hesitation. Read about movements and make your own decisions though. as it's up to each person what they want. but I honestly have no idea why anyone would ever get a slow beat 2813 movement when it is completely wrong for the watch. and the clone is only 100 bucks or so more. People are so worried about tiny flaws, and then they get the watch with the biggest flaw of all when they get the wrong movement like that.

 

[egroegart]

the slow beat movements would be more correct for an older watch but not for modern watches. Save up the extra hundred bucks and get the right movement

 

[bc1221]

idk about the ETA clones being just as good.
in my experience, the refurb ETA is much smoother at the stem.


2813 isnt a bad movement. its cheap to replace if it ever goes wrong or you can swap it out for a slightly better miyota.

i honestly prefer higher beat rate movements because it just looks much better. esp on rolexes where its common knowledge that the second hand sweep is very smooth.

the only 2813 i bought is my recent 1680 purchase but thats a vintage model and the low beat rate is closer to gen accuracy.
plus, itll be my first go at modding. if i screw up this watch, no big deal. i didnt spend $100s on it.

i have a watch with a miyota. while its low beat, the quality is much better i think. you dont hear the loud grinding noise made by cheap 2813 rotors.
you just hear the winding.


even my clone 2836's rotor is kinda loud where as the ETA counterpart is silent.

in the end, if youre buying a rolex, DEF go with a high beat movement.
other brands.. well.. check to see what the gen beat rate is. then make your decision.

or if you just want a cheap rep you wanna wear for a year or so and sell or toss. then get a 2813 movement for $100 bucks.

 

[jaykay]

Even the high beat 21j?

Too late now anyway. Stumped up for the ETA

Back to having a Sinn. Just wish it was a gen like my old 756 :-(


Tapatalk post!

 

[egroegart]

BC, I think you might need to do some more reading. The asian clone is a proven, reliable movement, with many many threads on here about. Yes, a brand new swiss is great, but that's not what you're getting when you buy a rep with a swiss movement. they are refurbished or pieced together swiss movements that sometimes require servicing because they are just filthy. Some people do like to get only swiss, but the majority will choose the asian clone any day over the swiss because it is a reliable proven movement. It functions the exact same way. it is brand new and it winds just fine. I'd rather have an asian movement that is just the slightest bit different in winding, than a swiss any day. No reason to spend that extra 100 to 150 bucks IMO. but some people do just go with the swiss. Im not sure why, but they do. Lots of threads though to read about the asian and swiss movemtents though and what the majority consensus is.

 

[egroegart]

I'm not saying the swiss movements are bad. I'm just saying the asian clones are just as good and just as reliable as has been backed up by thousands of people who have bought the asian. I had a swiss, that was supposed to be 100% swiss, but was not, but a pieced together one. but still sold at a premium price. Functioned exactly the same as all my asian clones and really didn't notice much of a difference at all in the crown and winding. and the rotor was loud. So another thing is you don't know what you are getting when you order a swiss. could be one that's pieced together, a refurbished one, or one that has just sat there for years and is all gummed up and they haven't cleaned and serviced that will require a service soon. You don't see these issues on the asian clones. not at all. Sure, there's going to be a DOA or one with a problem here or there, but that's to be expected with any of them, but overall the asian works flawlessly and is a reliable movement with readily available parts. I guess it's just personal choice honestly. Some people just want that swiss movement. When I first joined I read all I could about the two movements and came to the conclusion that the asian was the choice for me, and still is. And after having many asian clones without one failure that's the movement I will stick with. Not downgrading anyone who likes the swiss. it can be a very good movement too, but with the asian you know what you are getting, a brand new never used movement that is clean and reliable.

 

[barth]

Winding an ETA is... Great.

 

[egroegart]

Rich. I have had swiss, and with my exp II and the sub I have now both with asian 2836 there is absolutely no difference in winding. Winds just as smooth as the swiss. smooth as butter. No reason to get that swiss. waste of money imo.

 

[pasiz]

If sound of rotor bearing is the issue, why not order genuine eta bearing. Smoothest sweep in eta 28800 bph is found in 2892 imho, also sound is more sophisticated than thicker 28xx variants...

 

[mitchbaria]

Luth! What's happening ole buddy?

Sent from my SCH-i705 using Tapatalk