i saw a gen ceramic insert on the bay last week,i didn't mention it as it was for the tt ceramic sub,300 pound it was,and nobody seems to want them,also london boy has gen ar crystals for sale all the time for 145pounds,gen crown fits on rep ceramic sub after mods.so then need gen dial and hands but they wont fit ,so yukki is needed.but i still am hoping one day soon we will get a true super rep of sub c lv and lnI think one of the reasons they will never be a popular rep is the lack of gen parts available to mod. I have a sub-c on its way to me and have been looking at ways to franken it but there is nothing to be found. I can buy gen parts for 16610 all day long. :wyliehelp: