2 Franken Subs-thoughts please

[wampa]

Ended up with 2 franken subs, similar build specs, gen dials, gen crystals, gen inserts & gen crowns.

Side by side there are a few differences, particularly with the dials. The printing is definitely different.

Sub1 (on the left) has a thinner Coronet and the text underneath is bigger. The lume has aged evenly. The pip is also a much creamier colour.

Sub2 (on the right) has a fatter Coronet but smaller text and the lume is much more uneven in colour. The pip is almost white so I guess is not tritium? There is also a very subtle difference in the font on the 2 bezels.

So I am seeking help from the Rolex experts please. Is it normal for dials to be different like this?

Also which is the keeper? Sub1 or Sub2. Sub1 has Yuki rep mov't, sub2 has ETA.

Some close ups of the dials:

Sub1:

Sub2:

Sub1:

Sub2:

Thoughts/help appreciated

:cheers:

 

[Dukes]

Keep sub 2

 

[Maszie]

Yes, keep the Sub with the eta movement.

 

[mitchbaria]

Dial one has better looking markers but the inherent flaws are unacceptable.... dial two, while the lume looks as though is missing in the cups is the better of the two....by far.... would you like me to elaborate? Now I'm talking dials only... I haven't looked at the watches..... if I kept watch one, the dial would have to be changed...the insert on watch two looks to be gen, but not correct for the model, I'd sell the insert and get one with a tritium pearl.... definitely keep watch two....

"it's it normal for dials to be different like this?" easy answer is yes especially when your comparing rep and gen.... dial one is a rep dial and a bad one,,,, while dial two is a gen or gen refinished dial and a pretty good one if it has been refinished...

 

[wampa]

Thank you for comments so far.

Sub1 was sold as gen dial, insert-is this correct?

From comments sub2 has gen dial/insert but insert is newer replacement?

 

[mitchbaria]

Yes. .. not a gen dial on one...the two looks bad on the insert on watch one ... I'd say no gen dial or insert on watch one.... And yes gen dial or good refinished dial on two and gen insert on two but not correct for the model.... Does that clear up a little? You posted your comments as I posted mine.

 

[mitchbaria]

Please roll the dates to either 6 or 9 on both watches and post a pic side by side,,,,

Do you follow about the hyphen and the "R" in rolex and the head hole in the coronet on dial one?


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[wampa]

I do, also when you turn the dial of watch2 to the light you can see the better printing and the black of the dial is better quality too, hard to explain.

Here are side by side with 6 in window:

 

[mitchbaria]

Neither watch has the correct DWO. I'd say to move watch one on however when you say Yuki movement, what Yuki movement are you referring too? The 3135 clone is a very sought after movement for good reason or not, if it is a Yuki clone this could be a viable way to recover your investment.....

The second watch would be a good start for building a 16800 which it's still a ways to go and we still don't know what case construction you've got there....


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[mitchbaria]

What Yuki movement is in watch one? And please list the build specs on both if you have them....

 

[KBH]

Look how much fatter the 40 is on the insert on number one.

 

[mitchbaria]

Hey B can you tell anything about those cases by the pics?

 

[wampa]

Yuki 3135 clone is in sub1 (one with the aged pip)

To make it confusing I switched positions form left to right by accident but I am calling the one with the aged pip and thinner font sub1

Build spec as given to me of sub1:

"ST case, re-shaped, gen specs.
- TC bezel assembly
- gen insert with Tritium pearl
- gen crystal no LEC
- gen tritium dial
- Sean hands, relumed to match dial
- gen crown
- Yuki 3135 movement
- rep bracelet 93150 with 455B end links"

 

[mitchbaria]

Ok I'm confused too now the watch you traded dukes with the Swiss movement is a very good build.... the only thing wrong with the build is the gen insert isn't the correct insert and the DWO needs to be changed.... this watch came from shotgun and I'm very familiar with this watch..... let's call it the "shotgun watch" oh yea the endlinks needs to be changed to 501b or I think 593

The other is what I've been referring to as "watch 1" and it is the one with the 3135 from Yuki do you have the specs on it?

 

[wampa]

OK, yep, lets call sub2 "Shotgun", which I just traded

sub1 call from a seller on Repgeek,

specs:

Build spec as given to me of sub1:

"ST case, re-shaped, gen specs.
- TC bezel assembly
- gen insert with Tritium pearl
- gen crystal no LEC
- gen tritium dial
- Sean hands, relumed to match dial
- gen crown
- Yuki 3135 movement
- rep bracelet 93150 with 455B end links"

 

[mitchbaria]

Can you take side view pics of sub 1 on the crown side..... the dial isn't gen, nor the insert...end links are incorrect number, and the wrong DWO,,,,, so far!

 

[KBH]

Hey B can you tell anything about those cases by the pics?

Not much really. The CG's on the whiter pearled one looks kind of like a Noob with the one CG slightly smaller than the other.

Also the lugs on that one look thinner which is also similar to the original noob cases. But with the drilled lugs it would have to be an early case, MBW era maybe.

The other one is mentioned to be a Star Time case which looks correct. You could verify that by looking for the lack of Rolex engraving and serial numbers under the end links.

 

[wampa]

On getting the side view, so the insert on sub1 is rep-what is the tell-tale?

 

[wampa]

 

[mitchbaria]

Def a gen crown...though technically the wrong coronet crown for that age watch..if that is a ST case it's fine but it's not been worked... sanded and aged.... also the spring bars aren't gen or long enough....