Come on Audemars Piguet - deployant clasp!

[WatchFreak!]

Aren't AP going to release a deployant clasp for their AP ROO 44 mm models soon? There's a lot of people that doesn't like the tang buckle.
And there's also people (me included) who needs to put on/take off the watch several times a day, which makes a tang buckle a nightmare! And I know I'm not alone on this one.

It shouldn't be that hard to do a deployant clasp, what's the problem? No really, I don't get it.

I also don't see a point of only having a tang buckle on the 44 mm, it's not like it's "special" and makes the 44 mm models more exclusive in any way, except for being circumstantial.

 

[legend]

I think AP did make a new deployant clasp for the 26470 42mm series which is 20mm instead of 18mm. I also remember someone here using a deployant of sorts for the 44mm ROO. Can’t remember whom or what deployant.

Well you need to know that the 44mm ROO has been discontinued by AP now and replaced by the 43mm and all the new 42 and 43mm ROOs on straps all use the tang buckle too. I guess it is a matter of personal preference and I do like the tang buckle and deployant one equally. Try aftermarket deployant clasps if really want a deployant buckle.

 

[WatchFreak!]

I think AP did make a new deployant clasp for the 26470 42mm series which is 20mm instead of 18mm. I also remember someone here using a deployant of sorts for the 44mm ROO. Can’t remember whom or what deployant.

Well you need to know that the 44mm ROO has been discontinued by AP now and replaced by the 43mm and all the new 42 and 43mm ROOs on straps all use the tang buckle too. I guess it is a matter of personal preference and I do like the tang buckle and deployant one equally. Try aftermarket deployant clasps if really want a deployant buckle.

They have discountinued deployant clasps alltogether?? BUT WHYYY? Who tf made that decision?

Ofcourse there's aftermarket deployant clasps, but not with AP design or logo. Not a complete watch to me. Like buying a Ferrari with a Fiat rear bumper

By the way, will the new 43 mm have the same design as the 44 mm? I mean with the long metal pushers and all?

 

[legend]

The bracelet models by default feature double folding buckles. The models using straps seem to be all using the tang buckles now and they feature the quick change straps and buckle system.
The 43mm does feature the longer chrono pushers yes. They have been out for a couple of years now. All sec@12 ROOs are being discontinued in favor of the sec@6 ROOs running on the new in-house caliber 4404 flyback chrono movements which debuted in the code 11.59.
So like it or not the tang buckles are here to stay for a while now sir. I guess you can customize straps for your 44mm ROOs to take the AP 18-20mm deployant clasps, that could be your best choice. It is very doable the way I see it.

 

[WatchFreak!]

The bracelet models by default feature double folding buckles. The models using straps seem to be all using the tang buckles now and they feature the quick change straps and buckle system.
The 43mm does feature the longer chrono pushers yes. They have been out for a couple of years now. All sec@12 ROOs are being discontinued in favor of the sec@6 ROOs running on the new in-house caliber 4404 flyback chrono movements which debuted in the code 11.59.
So like it or not the tang buckles are here to stay for a while now sir. I guess you can customize straps for your 44mm ROOs to take the AP 18-20mm deployant clasps, that could be your best choice. It is very doable the way I see it.

Ok AP, let's do it more difficult for your customers. I think they should at least have the option of a wider deployant clasp.

Thank you for the info anyways.

Regarding customizing straps to fit 20 mm deployant claso for 44 mm, I think it will look very weird. Also ruins the strap. Or am I wrong?

 

[Miguel Piguet]

Aren't AP going to release a deployant clasp for their AP ROO 44 mm models soon? There's a lot of people that doesn't like the tang buckle.
And there's also people (me included) who needs to put on/take off the watch several times a day, which makes a tang buckle a nightmare! And I know I'm not alone on this one.

It shouldn't be that hard to do a deployant clasp, what's the problem? No really, I don't get it.

I also don't see a point of only having a tang buckle on the 44 mm, it's not like it's "special" and makes the 44 mm models more exclusive in any way, except for being circumstantial.

To be honest, I feel the opposite. The deployment clasp even for the 42mm models can be very uncomfortable with the AP on the deployment digging into the wrist (Both Gen and Reps). A few members have complained about that. A tang buckle on the other hand is easier to wear and take off and think it's more traditional . The deployment such as the ones on the Royal Oak models makes it look more sleek and offcourse makes sense for any integrated steel or gold watches but for AP divers and other watches with larger straps I think a tang buckle works better. Imagine a much bigger AP sign on the deployment digging further into the wrist that would be very uncomfortable. I'm sure they did put in much thought to it already, but guess everyone's has their preferences.

 

[legend]

Ok AP, let's do it more difficult for your customers. I think they should at least have the option of a wider deployant clasp.

Thank you for the info anyways.

Regarding customizing straps to fit 20 mm deployant claso for 44 mm, I think it will look very weird. Also ruins the strap. Or am I wrong?

For this matter there is no right or wrong, but you’re entitled to your own preferences naturally.
I think that the tang buckle makes a lot more sense for chunkier/heavier watches.

 

[SuperLory]

i was prepared to read any thing, but blimey not someone making a mildly infuriated post about NOT having a deployant from AP.

The most uncomfortable strap/bracelet ever designed. May it rest in peace and oblivion.

 

[WatchFreak!]

To be honest, I feel the opposite. The deployment clasp even for the 42mm models can be very uncomfortable with the AP on the deployment digging into the wrist (Both Gen and Reps). A few members have complained about that. A tang buckle on the other hand is easier to wear and take off and think it's more traditional . The deployment such as the ones on the Royal Oak models makes it look more sleek and offcourse makes sense for any integrated steel or gold watches but for AP divers and other watches with larger straps I think a tang buckle works better. Imagine a much bigger AP sign on the deployment digging further into the wrist that would be very uncomfortable. I'm sure they did put in much thought to it already, but guess everyone's has their preferences.

i was prepared to read any thing, but blimey not someone making a mildly infuriated post about NOT having a deployant from AP.

The most uncomfortable strap/bracelet ever designed. May it rest in peace and oblivion.

If the AP on the deployant clasp is digging into the wrist, why not find a solution for it? Not remove it alltogether. AP is a large enough company they got both the money and the resources to find a solution. No doubt about it.

I’ve had several Hublot with deployant clasps, they figured it out.

And @Miguel Piguet how is a tang buckle easier to put on and take off? Please explain

 

[legend]

If the AP on the deployant clasp is digging into the wrist, why not find a solution for it? Not remove it alltogether. AP is a large enough company they got both the money and the resources to find a solution. No doubt about it.

I’ve had several Hublot with deployant clasps, they figured it out.

And @Miguel Piguet how is a tang buckle easier to put on and take off? Please explain

The solution is in fact the conversion of buckle type to the tang buckle. It is a replacement of buckle type, not a removal per se. As mentioned above by myself and other members, it is a matter of preference. You have your own preference, but be respectful of the preference of others as well, not everyone will think like you do. Any change made by AP (or any other watch brand in fact) cannot please everyone. There are always guys unhappy with it but at the end of the day, it will be what it will be, unless you are a mega celebrity AP is working with for a limited edition release and have a hand in the design process. If deployant clasps are your thing, stick to Hublots maybe?

Discussions and debates are fully welcome here but kindly keep it respectful thank you. I will otherwise close this thread, as it serves more as a rant thread with no room for other opinions beside yours.

 

[WatchFreak!]

The solution is in fact the conversion of buckle type to the tang buckle. It is a replacement of buckle type, not a removal per se. As mentioned above by myself and other members, it is a matter of preference. You have your own preference, but be respectful of the preference of others as well, not everyone will think like you do. Any change made by AP (or any other watch brand in fact) cannot please everyone. There are always guys unhappy with it but at the end of the day, it will be what it will be, unless you are a mega celebrity AP is working with for a limited edition release and have a hand in the design process. If deployant clasps are your thing, stick to Hublots maybe?

Discussions and debates are fully welcome here but kindly keep it respectful thank you. I will otherwise close this thread, as it serves more as a rant thread with no room for other opinions beside yours.

I’m surprised by your post. I genuinly can’t see where I was disrespectful. Please tell.

I basically wrote that AP could find a solution if they wanted to and that I’m shocked by that they won’t make deplyant clasps anymore.

To Miguel I asked to explain how it’s easier to put on/take off a tang buckle than a deployant clasps (since that’s the main reason deployant clasps exist - to make it easier). Maybe it's this question you were referring to as disrespectful?

I’m sorry if I offended anyone, I just don’t know who I may have offended. Would be great to know so I can think about what I write in the future. So please tell me.

 

[legend]

I’m surprised by your post. I genuinly can’t see where I was disrespectful. Please tell.

I basically wrote that AP could find a solution if they wanted to and that I’m shocked by that they won’t make deplyant clasps anymore.

To Miguel I asked to explain how it’s easier to put on/take off a tang buckle than a deployant clasps (since that’s the main reason deployant clasps exist - to make it easier). Maybe it's this question you were referring to as disrespectful?

I’m sorry if I offended anyone, I just don’t know who I may have offended. Would be great to know so I can think about what I write in the future. So please tell me.

No I didn’t say you were disrespectful. I was telling you to keep it respectful and allow others to chime in with their opinions, which can be different or opposite from yours. If someone tells you that they find the tang buckle easier to put on or remove, it is their opinion and their right to express it. My point is to allow for differences without trying to impose yours on every contrary opinion expressed. We get it that you prefer the deployant buckle but your opinion should not dictate how it is for others.
If every post and response of yours is to extol the virtue of the deployant clasp and condemn the tang buckle, then I think your first post will suffice. Vent done.
Others have come on here and given their opinions and you need to accept that the tang buckle is VERY acceptable where others are concerned. I too agree with it. There is no value added to repeated ranting on the same stand because at the end of the day, you prefer one buckle type and others another type.
I don’t want the discussion to become toxic or dominated by your preference. Your opinion has been duly noted but it is hardly the only one here. If the thread becomes meaningless where I’m concerned it’ll just be closed that’s all. Thank you.

 

[WatchFreak!]

No I didn’t say you were disrespectful. I was telling you to keep it respectful and allow others to chime in with their opinions, which can be different or opposite from yours. If someone tells you that they find the tang buckle easier to put on or remove, it is their opinion and their right to express it. My point is to allow for differences without trying to impose yours on every contrary opinion expressed. We get it that you prefer the deployant buckle but your opinion should not dictate how it is for others.
If every post and response of yours is to extol the virtue of the deployant clasp and condemn the tang buckle, then I think your first post will suffice. Vent done.
Others have come on here and given their opinions and you need to accept that the tang buckle is VERY acceptable where others are concerned. I too agree with it. There is no value added to repeated ranting on the same stand because at the end of the day, you prefer one buckle type and others another type.
I don’t want the discussion to become toxic or dominated by your preference. Your opinion has been duly noted but it is hardly the only one here. If the thread becomes meaningless where I’m concerned it’ll just be closed that’s all. Thank you.

Oh, I get you. Though I don’t think one's opinion can stand against another's fact (because it’s fact).

It’s like asking someone to please explain how square wheels makes the car roll better than round wheels. But I guess that would be mocking them and being disrespectful. Once again, being disrespectful (if I even were) was not my intention. I just wanted to know how he thought.

But hey, no problem. If someone finds it easier putting on/taking off a watch with tang buckle compared to a deployant clasp then yay for them.

I just can't understand why AP doesn't let you choose.

 

[legend]

Oh, I get you. Though I don’t think one's opinion can stand against another's fact (because it’s fact).

It’s like asking someone to please explain how square wheels makes the car roll better than round wheels. But I guess that would be mocking them and being disrespectful. Once again, being disrespectful (if I even were) was not my intention. I just wanted to know how he thought.

But hey, no problem. If someone finds it easier putting on/taking off a watch with tang buckle compared to a deployant clasp then yay for them.

I just can't understand why AP doesn't let you choose.

Your opinion is always valued. It is one of many and what makes this forum an interesting place for others to read and learn.
All I ask is for you to let others have their say without belittling them for speaking contrary thats all. Thank you.

 

[H S]

I’ve owned several AP reps and I prefer the tang buckle for this replicated brand. It’s much more comfortable to wear in my opinion. My Bumblebee, which is my favorite piece in my entire collection, has the deployment clasp and it’s not nearly as comfortable as the tang buckle variants.

I, too, have had watches from other brands, both reps and gens, that used deployment buckles that were easy to take on and off and were also very comfortable to wear. This simply isn’t the case with rep APs. Apparently, this bodes true for the genuine APs as well based on the comments above.

Just my $.02.

 

[WatchFreak!]

I’ve owned several AP reps and I prefer the tang buckle for this replicated brand. It’s much more comfortable to wear in my opinion. My Bumblebee, which is my favorite piece in my entire collection, has the deployment clasp and it’s not nearly as comfortable as the tang buckle variants.

I, too, have had watches from other brands, both reps and gens, that used deployment buckles that were easy to take on and off and were also very comfortable to wear. This simply isn’t the case with rep APs. Apparently, this bodes true for the genuine APs as well based on the comments above.

Just my $.02.

I agree completely with you - other brands have managed to pull this off and find a solution. That's what's mind-boggling to me, a big brand like AP which is considered one of the Big Three hasn't found a solution.

If the AP tang buckle is more comfortable I cannot comment on, because that's a whole other discussion and I haven't tried the AP tang buckle.

 

[legend]

I’ve owned several AP reps and I prefer the tang buckle for this replicated brand. It’s much more comfortable to wear in my opinion. My Bumblebee, which is my favorite piece in my entire collection, has the deployment clasp and it’s not nearly as comfortable as the tang buckle variants.

I, too, have had watches from other brands, both reps and gens, that used deployment buckles that were easy to take on and off and were also very comfortable to wear. This simply isn’t the case with rep APs. Apparently, this bodes true for the genuine APs as well based on the comments above.

Just my $.02.

AP offshores are generally top heavy and the primary difference between the tang buckle and deployant is that the tang will allow the bottom of the wrist to press against the straps instead of the metal on the deployant. This lowers the center of gravity for the watch when it’s worn as it is secured more snugly against the wrist, allowing the watch to sit lower and worn more comfortably in general.
There will be guys who prefer the deployant and others who prefer the tang. I personally prefer my offshores on tang buckles. Even offshore bracelets work on a double fold system which allow for the part touching the underside of the wrist to come into contact with a single layer of metal effectively instead of the older ROO deployants which will feature the wrist-metal-leather/rubber straps. Deployants will work well for lighter and less chunky watch heads and in that case the deployant or tang will make less difference. The bumblebee is one of the lightest offshores and coupled with the use of a titanium deployant it makes it relatively comfortable to wear VS a classic stainless steel panda or safari.

At the end of the day to each his own but the tang buckles are here to stay like it or not. Even the last deployant clasp used by AP for the 26470 offshores went under the radar and was not officially announced. The new 26238 offshores all come with tang buckles and imho this is a good move to improve the ergonomics of wearing a chunky watch.

 

[SuperLory]

To Miguel I asked to explain how it’s easier to put on/take off a tang buckle than a deployant clasps (since that’s the main reason deployant clasps exist - to make it easier).

it is easier to put on a tang buckle than an AP deployant for sure, I think we all agree

 

[WatchFreak!]

it is easier to put on a tang buckle than an AP deployant for sure, I think we all agree

 

[Goodwood]

When the Noob AP ROO Chronograph seconds at 12 first came out there was a real push to get an accurate AP deployant with no spring bar holes through the buckle like oem. It took a while but it was repped by one seller (forget the sellers name). I bought enough at the time for all my AP ROO Chronographs, even had a RG option. While I do prefer the AP deployant on the watch it is uncomfortable on the wrist, but I put up with them for style. To me, all high end watches should have a deployant clasp, even Panerai.